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Recent drop in voting... what's up with that? =)

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Ok, hopefully I'm not out of line here when bringing up this matter, but it seems to me there has been a noticeable drop in voting when participating lately. This is by noooo means personal, I'm bringing it to everyone's attention on the behalf of.... well.... everyone. tongue wink

If you participate in a thread you enjoy, see something cool, see something you agree with, or something intriguing (I think I misspelled that), vote for it. That's the reason the little button is there. By voting for the topic OR answer, you let the author know you support what ever they have published or atleast find it intriguing (there I go again... maybe). Then second, you as well let the public know that this is something useful or atleast worth reading. alt text

An example of this unfortunate drop was displayed today and provoked me (amongst others) to bring this subject to light. Take for instance "La Palabra del Día: Cultivar" at this moment has 22 answers and only 11 votes! big surprise I know for sure, this and the picture of the day thread are two of the highest volume threads... and that's it, only half the people enjoy it? That's what those votes tell me. alt text

Despite what most mistake the voting system for, it's not really a "bragging rights" system (ok, well maybe 50/50), but it's more for promoting the good stuff. I don't know if anyone looks at this at the top of the answers section, but I notice it a lot and it reads as follows... alt text

"The answers section is a great way to become part of the SpanishDict learning community. Ask and answer questions, vote on good questions and answers, and earn Reputation! Your vote helps the best content rise to the top. (View Rules and Guidelines)."

That last part, says it all, your vote counts and helps so cast 'em! grin

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updated Nov 18, 2014
edited by DJ_Huero
posted by DJ_Huero
alot should be a lot :) - pesta, Jun 16, 2011
Thanks pesta... I just saw another... lol I said "i'm bring it"... - DJ_Huero, Jun 16, 2011
for future reference it is, indeed, intriguing (the u must stay to control the sound of the g. - 0074b507, Jun 16, 2011
Woohoo! Thanks Q, I was just thinking bout that... it just looked funny. =) - DJ_Huero, Jun 16, 2011
jejeej - I voted for you DJ!! :) - 001a2987, Jun 16, 2011
Not a lot of voting going on in this thread... What's with that?? :) - pesta, Jun 16, 2011
Good post mate , I agree totally it is annoying when it is obvious that a lot of hard work has gone into a post and no votes for it , disappointing. - ray76, Jun 17, 2011
You sure have a lot of votes, Deejayy, :P I will think about voting later, jejeje - Destroyed99, Jun 17, 2011
"Amor_y_paz" made an excellent point. I also noticed the number of votes trickling off toward the end of a thread -- even though sometimes the material gets better. - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
Gets my vote. - Eddy, Jun 17, 2011
Great thread...so true!!!!!!!!! - SonrisaDelSol, Jun 17, 2011
Thanks guys, I appreciate all the feedback. Hopefully it fixes something. =) - DJ_Huero, Jun 18, 2011
More votes for you DJ than answers at the mo. - never seen that before. :)) - ian-hill, Jun 18, 2011
I know, kind of a shocker... but I guess that means some have gotten the message. - DJ_Huero, Jun 19, 2011
De acuerdo! - miliard, Jun 22, 2012

34 Answers

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He probably wasn't prescient enough to be predicting why SpanishDict would be, 225 years later, such a valuable resource for language students (Spanish or English), but way back then, Ben Franklin made the following observation:

Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.

Now, if I have it aright, this is a big part of the reason for the voting/reputation system and its success here in involving people in learning is what makes this "place on the web" unique, not just on the internet, but in the world. It's not really about amassing points or competition (except with yourself), but about an incentive for involvement because of the feedback generated.

Well, okay there are my two cents . . . and, of course, your mileage may vary. wink

updated Nov 18, 2014
posted by TejanoViejo
Your 2 cents are worth quite a bit! - billyf2610, Jun 16, 2011
Now, here's a post worth voting for!! (By the way, if I could vote for your avatar I would.) - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
Awesome quote and application. =) - DJ_Huero, Jun 18, 2011
Wow! Gracias, amigos. ( I know "wow" must be Spanish, because “La Dra. Ana Maria Polo” says it all the time. (8 ^>) - TejanoViejo, Jun 19, 2011
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I really agree with you DJ, and actually l was thinking of this a short time ago, but l couldn't find a way to open that, good job smile

So after this should each of us have a pic like this in his-her own answer or thread?

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Jejeje...just kidding

updated Jun 22, 2012
posted by 00b6f46c
Jejeje, can I change my avatar to include these words? - Fredbong, Jun 16, 2011
Jejeje! - 00b6f46c, Jun 16, 2011
How could I not vote for that pretty face? Now I have to vote everybody or I might be taken as biased :) - EL_MAG0, Jun 16, 2011
Lovely, I've been loving your contributions, and fortunately get to see them most every day. - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
R O F L!!! I love it Lovely... - DJ_Huero, Jun 18, 2011
Esto es mi gato (gordo)! - miliard, Jun 22, 2012
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Please be guided by DJ´s post. Good questions and good answers deserve your votes.

updated Nov 18, 2014
edited by pacofinkler
posted by pacofinkler
I agree :) Voting lol :) - FELIZ77, Jun 16, 2011
Thanks Frank =) - DJ_Huero, Jun 16, 2011
I agree Frank, so I voted for your answer!! :) - 001a2987, Jun 16, 2011
I'm with Chris, I agree. Voted for you Paco! - nike907, Jun 16, 2011
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Perhaps its just me lol, but I come on this site to learn Spanish! If I ask a question and somebody gives up his\her precious time to give me advice and answers then they get my vote. Similarly if somebody gives a great answer to say 'word of the day' for example and I learn from them, then they too get a vote.

However, I dont just spread votes around to perceived virtual friends every time they post lol - I'm sure there are other more suitable 'social' websites for that sort of thing.

I think SpanishDict is fantastic. If i can improve my Spanish to an advanced level, but never receive a single vote ever again - that will do for me grin

updated Jan 17, 2014
edited by billygoat
posted by billygoat
you got my vote! - mountaingirl123, Jun 16, 2011
Yes, learning is why we're here... but you need guidance to learn right? And what do votes do, help you decipher the more correct answers and usefuls posts. That's why they're important. ;-) - DJ_Huero, Jun 16, 2011
grrrrrrrr - dont vote for me mountaingirl ;-) - billygoat, Jun 16, 2011
thats more or less, exactly what I said DJ :-P - billygoat, Jun 16, 2011
Love this post, said everything I want to say. - JazSpanish, Jan 20, 2013
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Personally, I find generous and well thought out comments and replies to be far more rewarding than any number of votes I may or, quite often, may not have received.

Then again, I also tend to prefer substance over pageantry...but that's just me.

updated Jan 20, 2013
posted by Izanoni1
Izan I fully understand your point of view and agree with you. I value the comments people make much more than the votes However I still appreciate receieving the votes too :) lol - FELIZ77, Jun 16, 2011
hehe...to each his own :) - Izanoni1, Jun 16, 2011
...and thanks for taking the time to comment ;-) - Izanoni1, Jun 16, 2011
I coulnd agree more izan, - 00494d19, Jun 16, 2011
And I agree with Heidi who agrees with you! Votes aren't as meaningful because you really don't know who did the voting. However, when someone takes the time to comment or answer, that to me is meaningful. :) - Nicole-B, Jun 16, 2011
I'm not saying that votes aren't important....just that the personal touch lets you know someone took the time to read and think about something you posted, even if they disagree with you. - Nicole-B, Jun 16, 2011
Many posts, like this post, are so good, I wish I could vote for them more than once. Additionally, I feel adding a comment is a more personal experience. - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
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Spanish dict has lost some voting,

and hey, I'm not one for gloating,

but I often give the blue thumbs up,

for answers considered way up top.

So why don't we all just give a click

or else y'all gonna get a kick.

Just a joke, though not too funny,

seriously though, share the honey!

Vote until your finger twitches,

Sharing the love is what enriches

Spanish dict and all its riches!

updated Jan 20, 2013
posted by dewclaw
In my book, poetry gets a vote! - JoyceM, Jun 17, 2011
Wonderful, wonderful post! Thanks for the "extra" effort. - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
If there was a Span¡shD!ct book or poetry section, this would be amongst the top there.... good stuff dew - DJ_Huero, Jun 18, 2011
Poetry? I read it as a cool rap. You got my vote. I'm waiting for the Spanish version. ;-) - JazSpanish, Jan 20, 2013
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That's a big reason I haven't been posting questions here much. I'll get like 10 answers to a question "Hey good question" etc... but no votes.

It's just like getting a verbal tip at a restaurant. Thanks guys!

I think people think you only get 10 a day but that's not true, you only get points for 10 votes but you can vote an unlimited number of times.

updated Jun 23, 2012
edited by jeezzle
posted by jeezzle
Jeezle surely you get points for 20 votes since you are allowed to receive up to 200 points in any 24 hour period and 20x 10 =200:) - FELIZ77, Jun 16, 2011
Jaja! I couldn't have said it better myself amigo. I love the verbal tip analogy. =) - DJ_Huero, Jun 16, 2011
But you can only "vote up" 10 people and get points. After that 10 points of voting, you don't get points for voting. - jeezzle, Jun 16, 2011
But that one point for voting up someone is less important than the value of the question or answer - pacofinkler, Jun 16, 2011
Indeed, paco, to the general public, and yet we thrive on this voting system. It makes us feel as if we are getting somewhere, and makes us work all that much harder to improve ourselves just for it. - jeezzle, Jun 16, 2011
well, I miss your posts, but of course, if you only post to get the points...well, too bad really - 00494d19, Jun 16, 2011
I post to learn and also to get recognized, both..not getting voted often, leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, still I know you always vote so I thank you for that. I will start up my posts again soon, just going through a dry spell. ;) - jeezzle, Jun 16, 2011
Yes Jeezzle for the learning and sometimes just for the fun of it all, I do like seeing the points grow too! ! - pacofinkler, Jun 16, 2011
Hey, I've been voting so much, I didn't know you got any points for voting! - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
Verbal tip at a restaurant, hehe, great comment. - Eddy, Jun 17, 2011
OK, I don't tip you, but I will vote others. - miliard, Jun 22, 2012
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I have voted ever since I came here (March 29th 2010 )and I often leave a comment to indicate a favourable response I will sometimes vote for a person's post even if I don't completely agree with their view/the content of their post but think that they have expressed their point well! wink smile grin

I think some people who used to vote regularly have either dropped-off in their level of participation or may have over-reacted to their dislike of the reputaion points system.Yes, we know that reputation points don't accurately represent people's level of ability but simply their contribution to the site However, the main point of the points syetem (if you pardon my pun) is to:

1 Vote up accurate answers which show a correct understanding of Spanish and /or English

2 Show agreement with the views expressed by an individual in their post/response

and 3 Express appreciaton for a person's humour,(wit) cleverness and skill when composing captions for Picture of the Day and Word of the day, guessing accurately the answers to games such as What is it? that Annie has given us, or the Mystery sentence of the night by Heidi or the Interactive audio thread that Kiwi girl has worked so hard to produce. The listi is endless but I am sure you get my point lol

I am sure someone will tell me other principal purposes of the system smile

I would encourage everyone who reads people's posts/responses to think carefully about what they read/have read and show genuien appreciation and encourage people who have made a big effort whether with the Spanish and English languages or simply having the courage to share their view by voting for them It doesn;t take much effort to vote and it can certainly encourage someone just knowing that at least one person enjoyed reading their response or found their caption funny wink smile LOL grin

Go on ...make someone's day!

updated Nov 18, 2014
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
Lots of typos, but content is right on point. jeje... I punned too... always good hearing from you amigo. - DJ_Huero, Jun 16, 2011
Thanks Dj typing is not my best strength lol hehehe I am in the process of editing out/correcting the typos at teh moment - FELIZ77, Jun 16, 2011
Jeje... it's cool bro, the your content clearly makes up for it. It seems you always have something valuable to say. - DJ_Huero, Jun 16, 2011
I agree!! :) - 001a2987, Jun 16, 2011
Thank you for your comment and vote, ,Chris :) - FELIZ77, Jun 16, 2011
Noticed the typos, too. But another reason I vote is just to acknowledge someone's effort to share with the community -- even those, like myself, who aren't clever. - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
Thank you territurtle :) - FELIZ77, Jun 17, 2011
FELIZ is a lad he have me a sick answer way back!! - student-bo, Jun 18, 2011
this is a positive comment if you are unfamiliar with english slang hah - student-bo, Jun 18, 2011
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This has been true for quite some time. I think those who participate in a thread should vote it up. For example, this thread had 17 answers and only 2 votes up. What's wilth that?¿Qué será esto?(96)¡Ya resuelto!

Thank you DJ for bring this to our attention. The people who do good threads and good answers deserve our votes. Remember a vote costs you nothing. Let's all do some or ovoting.

updated Nov 18, 2014
edited by sanlee
posted by sanlee
Voting :) - EL_MAG0, Jun 16, 2011
I agree , I always make sure that I vote up everyone who participates in my posts , I think it good manners to do so. - ray76, Jun 16, 2011
Your posts and comments have been very valuable to me. Thanks Sanlee! - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
Thank you so much! - sanlee, Jun 17, 2011
Thanks Sandy =) - DJ_Huero, Jun 18, 2011
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It's a good thing that we can't see who is voting for whom - could get a bit tense. grin

updated Nov 18, 2014
posted by ian-hill
That is what makes the comments so helpful- a positive comment from a trustworthy source helps convince me of the correctness of an answer. - Stadt, Jun 16, 2011
Agreed Stadt! Oh, by the way, just to let you know Ian, I am vote number four for this answer. jeje - Nicole-B, Jun 17, 2011
Also, having votes anonymous seems to me to add a bit of sincerity to each one. - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
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V O T I N G!

updated Nov 18, 2014
posted by ian-hill
Jaja, thanks Ian - DJ_Huero, Jun 16, 2011
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Personally, I find generous and well thought out comments and replies to be far more rewarding than any number of votes I may or, quite often, may not have received.

Then again, I also tend to prefer substance over pageantry...but that's just me.

Well, that is just me toowink

I couldn't care less about the votes. Actually, I find the constant hey, I lost two points, oh, it says "you gained cero points"...rather amazing.

updated Jan 20, 2013
posted by 00494d19
I couldn't agree more. I am here because I stink at math, but love language. If I have to start adding and subtracting my points I think I will go crazy. jeje I also love Ira's line "substance over pageantry"! I - Nicole-B, Jun 17, 2011
I said amazing, not to be rude, this even happens with oldies.... I am often astonished - 00494d19, Jun 17, 2011
LOL Heidita, tell me you are joking - people pm you about losing 2 points!! I find this sort of thing very funny. Hey, you've got 157k ive only got 2.6k - go on just loan me a few k votes - pleeeeeeeease ;-) - billygoat, Jun 17, 2011
Your vote and typed response to my first post is actually what encouraged me to participate here. Otherwise, I probably would have stayed mostly with Paralee's fantastic lessons. - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
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I like to participate in the game threads for practice. I have slowed down a bit lately because I need to study via other methods as well.

Often I am among one of the first to answer in the picture of the day. I just happen to be up at the time it usually comes out and I answer to it during a break at work.

I often notice that those who answer first have a tendency to gain more votes than those who answer later.

I always come back and revisit the threads that I participate in and learn from my mistakes as well as those of others. I always drop votes on the late comers. Unless they break the rules. Fewer than four words or I spot a double or triple post.

I do wish more of the people who answered first would truly participate and revisit the thread when more answers have been posted. The number of votes to the latter posts in comparison with the number of votes to the earlier posts is evidence that not all the participants are truly participating in the entire thread.

I truly do participate in the threads and it is not for the votes but for what I might gain (learning) and what I might contribute (even if words of encouragement is all I have to offer).

So, to sum it all up. I wish more people who participate would participate the entire thread. I know I am not the only one who does. I know of other members who do as well.

Gracias y hasta pronto en el foro mis amigos. smile

updated Jun 18, 2011
edited by EL_MAG0
posted by EL_MAG0
Hi, A & P ! - sanlee, Jun 16, 2011
Hola :) - EL_MAG0, Jun 16, 2011
Well said! - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
Thanks! - EL_MAG0, Jun 17, 2011
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I think votes are valuable to help indicate the best answers, but also encourage participation by letting the person know that their input is valued.

When I ask a question, votes for it indicate to me that someone else found the question useful, and when no one votes, I assume it was a dumb question that no one found helpful. So I tend to vote for questions that I would have also liked to ask.

I also vote for the “of the day” questions when I participate, but generally have the sense that I wish I could vote for the person doing the corrections instead.

When I answer a question, I look for votes as one way to indicate that I got it right- although (like izanoni)- a comment works just as well for me. The one time lazarus simply wrote “great answer” in the comments after one of my answers is worth far more to me than any votes. I was extremely discouraged when I answered a somewhat complex grammar question and finished it by saying “this needs confirmation by someone more advanced than me”- and it sat for days with no votes, no comments and no further answers, until finally the original questioner voted for it and accepted it in lieu of any other input. That makes me hesitant to answer questions that I am not absolutely sure of, as at least if they are left in the no answer column someone will eventually get to them.

I therefore try to vote for answers I am fairly sure are correct, although I have screwed up and voted for ones that later proved to be wrong- and that limits me to some extent in what I can vote for. That is why it is important for the more advanced speakers, who know which answers are right and wrong, to participate in the voting. I often wait on other people’s answers, hoping for confirmation from someone I trust more that the answer provided is correct (one of the benefits of this site is that you can learn from everyone’s questions).

I think some of the prior comments on voting had more to do with the distribution of votes, and I think the ultimate purpose of this thread should be to encourage that balance be restored. The complaint, as I see it, has been that too many votes get made for pure entertainment or social threads and not enough for efforts to help people learn correct Spanish. I actually have earned a “Great Question” medal- which I earned for posting 2 language jokes purely for entertainment. I have over the past several months tried to avoid the social threads. I am not against those votes, and I do vote from time to time for particularly entertaining posts, but I think that should not be the primary thing that is encouraged with voting.

Sorry if my thoughts on this ramble a bit, hopefully I least made my thoughts understandable.

updated Jun 18, 2011
posted by Stadt
Very well thought out post, you get my vote :) - billygoat, Jun 17, 2011
Yes, the point is participation. And I would particularly like to mention Lazarus seeming always to be there for me! - territurtle, Jun 17, 2011
Great commentary, sounds to me like you've got the idea I was getting at. - DJ_Huero, Jun 18, 2011
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I'm bumping this up because I've been observing this same problem throughout numerous threads, especially some of the more competitive learning games. Unless you lack fingers, it really doesn't take that much effort to vote! Come on, make someone happy from all the way across the world. smile

Thanks y'all!

updated Dec 25, 2014
edited by 00ffada9
posted by 00ffada9
Voting amigo. - ian-hill, Nov 17, 2014
You have my vote as well. But you just have to review the reputation tab on my profile to see that I vote frequently, for all kinds of things. ;) - bosquederoble, Nov 18, 2014
Good idea H. :) - rac1, Nov 18, 2014