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An Out of the Box Approach to Direct and Indirect Objects.

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An “Out of the Box Approach to Direct and Indirect Objects.

A few days ago, Ray76 posted a question on direct and indirect objects. As I am a teacher fully acquainted with the subtleties of English And Spanish grammar, I found it easy to understand.

However as a child when my English teacher spoke of Direct Object and Indirect Object and went around and around with difficult to understand explanations I muttered to myself, “I object.”

I fully intended to post this as an answer to Ray’s question, but he took it down as it seems that nobody posted a reply.

I titled this “An ‘out-of the Box’ Approach to understanding direct and indirect objects. This article is based on information I received when I took a course in Scientific Linguistics, which unlike grammar, really gets into what is happening in a language and how languages function.

I am going to introduce four new terms for your consideration.

(1) Doer…………………………..A person or animal or something that does something.

(2) Verb………………………….This is action either physical or mental. There are two verbs which are not action,--“to be” and “to have.” The first is a sort of “equal” sign the second establishes a relationship.

(3) The “Done-to” This is someone or something that has had something “done” to it. i.e., I hit my brother. My brother has had something done to him.

(4) Involved entity. This is someone,or an animal, (it can also be “something” in Spanish) that is involved in some way the action and the done-to.

Model sentence:

Pedro gave his dog a bone.

Pedro obviously is the “doer” This is the “subject” for you grammar people.

“Gave” is the action. When you give something, you move something through space or someone does it for you.

What was moved through space (had something done to it) was the bone. The “done-to” (direct object for you grammarians.)

Now someone was happy about all this—the dog. He is our involved entity. (or indirect object for the grammarians.)

Model sentence repeated.

Pedro gave (to) his dog a bone.

Now in Spanish

Pedro le dio un hueso a su perro. The only difference between the Spanish and the English is that in addition to the Involved entity (ind. obj) you must also include the Involved entity pronoun. (le) Remember the I.E pronoun can be translated as “to” “from” or “for.”

Some examples.

Le compré un suéter nuevo a mi hijo. I bought a new sweater for my son.

Le di a mi suegra un vestido nuevo. I gave (to) my mother-in-law a new dress.

El ladrón me robó el dinero. (Literally- the thief robbed from me the money) In regular English this comes out as “The thief took or robbed my money.”

Remember whenever a D/O and an I/O object are used together, the “le” or “les” changes to “se.”

Examples: Did Pedro give his dog the bone? ¿Pedro le dio el hueso a su perro?

“Sí se lo dio.

Did you write the letters to your grandma? ¿Le escribiste las cartas a tu abuela?

Sí, se las escribí.

Now, this is sort of a shortened down version of what I give my students. Not one of them ever has a problem with these pronouns afterward.

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updated Aug 31, 2017
edited by Daniela2041
posted by Daniela2041
Mil gracias Dani. ♥ - rac1, Jul 22, 2016
¡Sí! No puedo esperar para utilizar esto! - jrschenk, Jul 23, 2016
Hi Dani , thanks so much for this , I did not take it down it just got pushed away , members do not appear to want to learn any more . - ray76, Jul 23, 2016
I love it when teachers develop their own approaches that work. Perhaps you should write a Spanish textbook, Daniela. - AnnRon, Jul 23, 2016
Annierats made me the same recommendation. - Daniela2041, Jul 23, 2016
Thank you for taking the time Dani. " I have just given my thanks to Dani! " All the bits in there. :)) - ian-hill, Jul 23, 2016
Very helpful post , Dani! Thank you so much! :) Like many others learning Spanish , I have struggled with these in the past and they still ocassionalty trip me up! ;) - FELIZ77, Aug 7, 2016
Salvador approves this content from Daniela2041. ;) - SalvadorRSPR, Aug 31, 2016

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Thank you so much Dani , this is starting to work for me now , before I read this

the terms were a jumble of words that made no sense , now they are coming alive.

updated Aug 7, 2016
posted by ray76
Ain't science wonderful? - Daniela2041, Jul 23, 2016
You could have asked me Ray. I would have done it a different way and confused you. :)) - ian-hill, Jul 23, 2016
I guess Ray gets this one--ningún problema, mate! - Daniela2041, Jul 24, 2016
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Great post Dani smile

I have found this post very helpful in understanding D.O.'s and I.O.'s more clearly! I will probably return to this post again sometime for a refresher smile

Thank you soooooo much Dani, for all the hard work you always put into these teaching posts of yours and for explaining these topics in such a way as to make them much easier for us Spanish students to learn and understand! The examples you provide help to bring the guiding principles to life!

When I used to watch Paralee's teaching videos, this is probably the topic I struggled with most,...particularly the word order and remembering which word substituted (was meant to stand in) for which lol I even used to find present subjunctive easier to understand in Paralee's videos than this topic lol

Thank you , again smile

updated Jul 21, 2017
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
Dani, I'm not bothered about receiving any votes tfor this post,, I just hope you read what I I have written so that you know how much all your posts are appreciated! ;) - FELIZ77, Aug 7, 2016
You got one mate , like it or love it ! - ray76, Aug 8, 2016
I don't think I even saw this post until the thread popped up again tonight. - Daniela2041, Aug 23, 2016
So I did vote, so there!♥ - Daniela2041, Aug 30, 2016
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I always thought that indirect object pronouns worked the same ways as direct object pronouns in that you can replace one for the other. Like for your example: I bought a new sweater for my son. -> Le compré un suéter nuevo a mi hijo.

I would've written it as Le compré un suéter nuevo and thought add a mi hijo only when it's ambiguous. Do I need to always use the indirect object pronoun when there's one in the sentence? Seems weird to always include the pronoun then. Why not write 'compré un suéter nuevo a mi hijo'?

updated Feb 26, 2017
posted by davidiswhat
The redundant "le" is a requirement in modern Spanish. A few hundred years ago it wasn't used. I we both know that we're talking about "mi hijo" then "mi hijo" might not be needed. But if it a new topic you need both "le" and "a mi hijo." - Daniela2041, Aug 31, 2016
Only Spanish does this. (Note the typo above, "If we both know") - Daniela2041, Aug 31, 2016
There's a few other typos, please excuse. I'm in a hurry now and don't have time to fix them. :) - Daniela2041, Aug 31, 2016
Don't mind the typos. Thanks for even replying c: - davidiswhat, Aug 31, 2016
Good to see that it is being used mates. - ray76, Aug 31, 2016
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An interest in grammar is probably the main reason why I was able to learn Spanish on my own & progress to an intermediate level (OK... that and maybe 5+ years of my time). The point is, I understand the concept of subject, verb, DO and IO, along with their respective pronouns. But it amazes me how few people at my level are comfortable with this - your approach Daniela, might make a few lightbulbs go on if they could see this

updated Feb 26, 2017
posted by t8805jg
:) - Daniela2041, Sep 1, 2016
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I gotta bump this. another question came up.

updated Feb 26, 2017
posted by Daniela2041
I second that mate. - ray76, Sep 19, 2016
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Since this has come up again, I'm going to do "el bumpo"

updated Feb 26, 2017
posted by Daniela2041
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You may notice that there seams to be a plethora of threads on this subject

but in my opinion there can never be enough for the simple reason that

**although they cover the same subject they come at it from a different angle

and I must say that this is probably one of the best. New members are always

asking questions about this subject and therefore they deserve to be able to

have the opportunity of it being at their fingertips without a long search.

updated Feb 26, 2017
edited by ray76
posted by ray76
I'll drink to that! - Daniela2041, Oct 27, 2016
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Bumping. There have been several questions on this as of late.

updated Feb 26, 2017
posted by Daniela2041
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Mi jefe requests a bump. So "El Bumpo."

updated Feb 26, 2017
posted by Daniela2041
As it is written in the 'good book ' "Ask and thou shalt receive ,"Ahora estamos recibiendo". - ray76, Feb 23, 2017
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Un hilo genial, Daniela.

updated Jun 26, 2017
posted by 006595c6
Gracias novia , ella es una chica especial. - ray76, Jun 26, 2017
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As it is written " they that bump shall inherit the earth , well perhaps the S D part.

updated Feb 26, 2017
posted by ray76
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Go Feisty go !

updated Feb 24, 2017
posted by ray76
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Amazing that we post all the help possible on this and many subjects yet

new members bypass them to ask the question that these very posts answer.

I guess we are in an era whereby people want everything done for them.

We down here call it a "Nanny state.

updated Feb 24, 2017
posted by ray76
Nanny, nannY NAnny ♪ ♫ - Daniela2041, Sep 17, 2016
OK Granny ,- grandmother ,= old Sheila ". - ray76, Sep 17, 2016
Oy, veh! I know what a "nanny" is. - Daniela2041, Sep 19, 2016
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Members are still getting help from this,-Así que otra ronda para ello.

updated Feb 24, 2017
posted by ray76
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Bumping

updated Aug 31, 2017
posted by rac1