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Update on the SpanishDict Forum

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Hi everyone,

Our aim at SpanishDict is to provide a friendly, educationally-focused atmosphere where people can practice and learn Spanish and English.

Over the past couple months there has been some discord among the moderators on the site. The team of users that have given their time and energy so generously to the site started to fall out of favor with one another and several of our moderators decided to stop participating. It is unfortunate that much of the disagreement was due to feelings of disrespect and personal conflicts. In the personal conflicts, the focus on practicing and learning together seems to have been lost.

We are going to try to start afresh, and refocus on the core of what makes this forum great, which are people coming together to communicate and help one another with language learning. For the time being, members of the internal staff at SpanishDict—Paralee, Stuart, Martha, and myself—are going to work together to moderate the forum. We are also going to develop new guidelines, processes, and criteria for moderators. Over time, we intend to select additional moderators from the community. The atmosphere of learning that we all seek is kept together by good moderating.

We all are looking for a place to practice and learn a new language. This will require each of us to abide by some simple rules. These are now posted here: SpanishDict Forum Rules. These are the rules that the moderators will enforce.

I wanted to say thank you for all the time and energy our moderators have generously provided in the past. In particular, I am grateful for all the work that Heidi has put into the site.

I understand that many of you will be upset by this news. And for all those people that sent in comments—even if we didn’t agree with you—thank you for taking the time to share your opinion.

I can say with confidence that this forum will continue to be a truly great place to practice and learn a new language.

Thanks,

Chris

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updated Feb 18, 2012
edited by Christopher
posted by Christopher
Are you sure you want this in the Vocab And Grammer category? - Leatha, Feb 13, 2012
Thanks Leatha! I just updated the category on the post. - Christopher, Feb 13, 2012
Happens all the time. - Leatha, Feb 13, 2012
This was flagged?? - NikkiLR, Feb 13, 2012
How did this get flagged? - Gregory84, Feb 13, 2012
No clue... but that wasn't very nice. :( - NikkiLR, Feb 13, 2012
It needs moderator attention. - rabbitwho, Feb 14, 2012
As a newcomer, I am not familiar with the forum as it was, I want to start learning again, but I am not comfortable with what we have got now. - juanito11, Feb 18, 2012

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Having experienced and witnessed nothing but professionalism and the highest standards of fairness and friendliness from the moderators of this website, your statement seems to be a solution in search of a problem.

Our aim at SpanishDict is to provide a friendly, educationally-focused atmosphere where people can practice and learn Spanish and English.

Was this not already the case?

The team of users that have given their time and energy so generously to the site started to fall out of favor with one another and several of our moderators decided to stop participating.

Wouldn't it have been easier (and far less likely to result in an uproar) to replace them with other deserving members of the community, rather than the wholesale revocation of ALL moderator privileges? This statement implies that the moderators who did not stop participating are directly responsible for the loss of those who did.

The atmosphere of learning that we all seek is kept together by good moderating.

Removing your most valuable moderators is not conducive to a good atmosphere of learning, especially when their loss will directly result in the loss of many valuable and productive non-moderator members.

In particular, I am grateful for all the work that Heidi has put into the site.

Why not say thanks with a paycheck and a job offer instead of a swift boot to the rear?

I can say with confidence that this forum will recover and again become a truly great place to practice and learn a new language.

I was not aware that the forum was in decline, nor that it was no longer a great place to practice and learn a new language. I must not be paying enough attention.

updated Jul 22, 2012
posted by Paralyse
Wish I had had the accumen to have written that. - ian-hill, Feb 13, 2012
thank you, this is very direct, my kind of post, thanks a lot, especially coming from a newbie:) - 00494d19, Feb 13, 2012
I agree 100% with you!!! - NikkiLR, Feb 13, 2012
As a newbie as well, this only shows guilt. Its only my intuition, but when a boatload of your help and clients/users are leaving, it means there is a problem... Just my 2 cents. - salevene, Feb 13, 2012
You go, Paralyse. Well written and to the point. - Jadey7, Feb 13, 2012
What a post !!! I wish I could give you one hundred votes instead of just one. - faliron, Feb 13, 2012
Fantastic post, Paralee:) ¡Muy bien escrito! :) - FELIZ77, Feb 13, 2012
If only they could have followed your advice! You really got to the heart of it with your replies :) - FELIZ77, Feb 13, 2012
Feliz, this is not parallee, thanks amigo nuevo, I wonder who you are, jeje, thanks a lot - 00494d19, Feb 13, 2012
wish we could have got to know you better mate. You would have fit right in! - patch, Feb 13, 2012
I'm a long-time lurker and recent member (less than 3 months) who was attracted to this site by the friendly people (esp. the mods!) to help improve my Spanish skills in real-life situations. :) - Paralyse, Feb 13, 2012
Like so many others, I bow to your amazing ability to express what we are thinking. - territurtle, Feb 14, 2012
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Well, Christopher..

It is a misfortune that an administrative decision, like the one you have just stated, has been made to "correct" a language site and a forum of participants when a "correction" was never needed in the first place. The uniqueness of this forum lies in the fact that we have persons like Heidita and Lazarus who have a passion for what they do and are genuinely concerned about the participant's progess in learning. In addition, there has always been a reliable and encouraging support here constantly helping us to reach our goals in language proficiency. We, the current users of this language site, have forged indelible bonds and have shared knowlege and experiences unselfishly due to the spark that Heidita and others have ignited in this warm, learning environment. You are truly making a serious mistake in your attempt "to revamp" this site without acknowledging and collaborating with those who have been here from the beginning and know what they are doing.

updated Feb 14, 2012
edited by drvicente
posted by drvicente
Perfectly said. - pesta, Feb 13, 2012
De acuerdo. - Stadt, Feb 13, 2012
so true, thanks vicente for your kind words:) - 00494d19, Feb 13, 2012
Wel said. - MaryMcc, Feb 13, 2012
Understatement of the last half decade -- and that said without exaggeration. - territurtle, Feb 14, 2012
I couldnt have said it better myself as a native speaker, Vicente:) Perfect and beautifully expressed ! - FELIZ77, Feb 14, 2012
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Chris - Thanks for this thread.

Let me introduce myself. I am one of your Phrasebook moderators, and have been for 2 years. I do not believe that we have ever had the pleasure of communicating. I am sorry to hear via a thread posted to the entire SD community that I am no longer a moderator.

You are a talented man with a great site here.

I enjoyed spending hours correcting and proofreading thousands of phrases for you.

Sincerely, Mountaingirl.

updated Jul 22, 2012
posted by mountaingirl123
That is called "mushroom management" Patti - ian-hill, Feb 13, 2012
You did a great job, Mountaingirl. Thank you so much for your service. - sanlee, Feb 13, 2012
Hi Mountaingirl -- Thank you again for all your help with the phrasebook. Sorry you had to learn about this through a forum post. We sent you several emails over the past few weeks but never heard back from you. Let me know if you'd like to talk. - Christopher, Feb 13, 2012
Mountaingirl, you said it all with 3 phrases. Thanks for your contribution. - ianta, Feb 13, 2012
Christopher - I am unclear as to what emails you are referring to. I have received emails from other moderators on this site with no difficulty. I replied to Martha several weeks ago that my email was back and running OK. (con't) - mountaingirl123, Feb 13, 2012
(con't) I am curious as to why you did not contact me via PM on this site if you believed that your emails were not getting through? - mountaingirl123, Feb 13, 2012
Yes, Patti, I recall several emails that I have successfully shared with you. You have been amazing by the way!!!!!!!!! - Nicole-B, Feb 13, 2012
I am really sorry, patti, you are one of the best:) - 00494d19, Feb 13, 2012
heartbreakingly apt - patch, Feb 13, 2012
This is so unbelievable... - sanlee, Feb 13, 2012
Wow Patti, you are a fortunate one I guess, I only got one email and that was from Martha after I said goodbye. - Yeser007, Feb 14, 2012
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I am sorry to hear via a thread posted to the entire SD community that I am no longer a moderator.

That sort of sums it up to me. What sort of management is it that cannot even inform people personally of a change in their status?

You really are treating us like mushrooms. I have enough of that from the management at work. I don't need it in my free time.

updated Feb 14, 2012
posted by MaryMcc
Well said Mary!! - RaulSpaniard, Feb 13, 2012
It's sickening. Look at the forum on Lenguajero, no one answers questions because there is no community, the interaction is all one to one so people can't get help there. That's what will happen here. - rabbitwho, Feb 13, 2012
My exact sentiments Mary. - Yeser007, Feb 14, 2012
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I can say with confidence that this forum will recover and again become a truly great place to practice and learn a new language.

Well, LOL

If I have to explain what's funny about that excerpt, you don't know what really happened here...

Recover from what? Who's done the damage so far?

updated Feb 16, 2012
posted by pesta
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None of you are active on the forum. How do you expect to be able to moderate it? You haven't the faintest idea the amount of work and effort our moderators put in. Heidi is behind a huge number of threads and activities she never puts her name on, and she was the glue that kept everything together.

I understand running a website like this is a lot of work, but we have built a community here under your nose with the platform you made and you have torn it apart by seeing us as user statistics and ignoring individuals.

Youtube and Twitter wait until all reported bugs are gone before releasing new versions of their site, then they release to 20% of the users and pay close attention to the feedback, fixing as they go, before they release it to everyone. This is how they avoid destroying the communities that form on their sites and having their most loyal users leave.

All of this could have been avoided if you had just kept them informed and treated them with respect instead of treating them as blow ins and upstarts who had the cheek to feel a sense of ownership for your site just because they had worked so hard on it.

I'm leaving with them, too many friends are leaving and it would be a betrayal to them to stay, anyway they're the reason I kept coming back. There are other boards for learning Spanish. Good luck seeing people's questions get answered if there's nothing to keep intermediate and advanced learners coming back.

My friendds here can find me on skype! flip.flop.a.dop

updated Feb 14, 2012
posted by rabbitwho
Perfectly put. - SonrisaDelSol, Feb 13, 2012
Bien dicho - KevinB, Feb 13, 2012
wow, very impressive rabbit, and all you say is true:) - 00494d19, Feb 13, 2012
I agree Rabbit See you on Skype - pintor, Feb 13, 2012
Vaya con díos bunny friend... oh, what am I doing here?! - Lector_Constante, Feb 13, 2012
¡Estoy de acuerdo! - EL_MAG0, Feb 14, 2012
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I also was, along with Mountaingirl a Phrasebook moderator and a member of Spanishdict for more than 4 years.

My moderator status has also been cancelled. I realized it when I went today to the phrasebook to review and approve some phrases. I hope they find somebody capable to perform this task. It's not an easy one.

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I was thinking on deleting my profile, but I will keep it just as a way to have access to PMs. This way I will be able to to stay in contact with other members.

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I guess you would not be seeing me very often. I have really enjoyed being part of this forum, but I'm afraid it is going to change. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't like the motives I suspect are behind this change.

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Time will tell if I'm mistaken.

updated Feb 14, 2012
posted by 00e657d4
That is why I am not deleting my profile as well... For many of us, there is no way to be contacted except by PMs. - Jadey7, Feb 13, 2012
Jadey7 do you have skype? - MaryMcc, Feb 13, 2012
jadey, come to skype, thanks guillermo, I am so sad this has happened and the way things were handled - 00494d19, Feb 13, 2012
That is a horrible way to find out you lost your position as moderator. Thanks for all you have done here Guillermo! - Nicole-B, Feb 13, 2012
thanks for being with us Guillermo - patch, Feb 13, 2012
Thank you for all you have done Guillermo and your help with my Spanish(correcting me) - FELIZ77, Feb 13, 2012
I am really very sorry that thishas happened to you Guillermo You all desrved bette than this especailly Heidi - FELIZ77, Feb 13, 2012
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(With all due respect...)

Sorry, but I cannot say it enough--

I still think you all are making a mistake here.

You have some very big shoes to fill, and I honestly don't think you guys can do half as good of job as Heidi did... (Sorry!) If I were you, I would be on my knees begging her to moderate the forum again.

updated Feb 14, 2012
posted by NikkiLR
Hi Nikkipedia -- They are big shoes to fill, but give it a chance. - Christopher, Feb 13, 2012
Very well said, Nikki :) i agree 100% - FELIZ77, Feb 13, 2012
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I wish I shared your confidence that the site will recover from this........possibly, we will see. But speaking for myself I feel we have been betrayed. This was a great site once.

updated Feb 15, 2012
posted by pintor
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If the community moderators are gone, this site is going to lose a lot of it's appeal.

I am fairly new here, but I've had a chance to look around. One of the most valuable resources this site has is the knowledgeable, friendly, and helpful community with the desire and ability to police itself. The opportunity to learn from reading actual conversations of articulate people communicating in both Spanish and English is extremely beneficial to a beginner like myself. Couple that with the ability to respectfully join in at will, and receive guidance, correction, and encouragement from people who actually care, and who know what they are talking about, and you have an invaluable learning tool.

Now I haven't been here long enough to form any close friendships or allegiances yet, so my perspective is that of an unbiased user. I'm quite sure I am not the only one who feels that if the quality of this forum begins to degrade as it appears is beginning to happen, I will be looking elsewhere for the type of high quality community experience that brought me here to begin with.

That's just my 2 cents. It will probably never be worth a nickel. But, my recommendation to management is to swallow your pride, and patch things up before things go too far. It might already be too late. I truly hope not.

updated Feb 14, 2012
posted by ciscocaja
thanks cisco:) - 00494d19, Feb 13, 2012
Well put Cisco. I'll see your 2 cents and raise you a dollar, but I'd bet the farm that you are right.. - ajaks, Feb 13, 2012
Thank you Heiedita! Your threads were helping me more than you know. - ciscocaja, Feb 13, 2012
That thing about self policing is so true, I have never ever been on a message board with an atmosphere this good and positive and friendly. That is an extremly difficult thing to get, trolls never lasted more than a few minutes - rabbitwho, Feb 13, 2012
the site brought out the best in everyone, where as usually the anonimity online makes people into nasty shadows of their real selves. - rabbitwho, Feb 13, 2012
Very good point Rabbit!! This was such a healthy environment, the bacteria couldn't get a foothold and went skulking off to look for victims elsewhere. - ajaks, Feb 13, 2012
Very well put, Cisco and thanks for your input, Rabbit!!! - drvicente, Feb 13, 2012
Nicely said Cisco. - Yeser007, Feb 14, 2012
It's never too late. But the levels of apologies and reconciliation keep rising. - pesta, Feb 14, 2012
En mi opinión, ya es probablemente demasiado tarde. - Xocoyote, Feb 14, 2012
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He has just informed me that the forum will be, from now on, moderated by staff members and that all mod functions by members will be deleted. Howrver, we also know that the position of moderator on this site was offered to Lovely only a couple of days ago (Gary and I know) , so I don't really know...

Christopher, you are amazing for helping create this site, but why this?

Since I joined SpanishDict about 8 months ago, I have always considered user moderation the most attractive thing about SpanishDict. It was nice knowing that someone I could actually relate to, not some behind-the-scenes worker, was helping make the forum I was proud to be a member of a comfortable place for all.

All of the staff here are very talented people, but with all due respect, I've only seen you guys out here when there's been some type of technical problem that needed fixing. I don't see you guys a lot. I hope that changes. I saw Heidi, Eddy, Yeser, Marianne, Mountaingirl...the whole gang out here every time I logged in.

I've told this to Sandy on Skype already, but let me say it again. I was feeling optimistic yesterday. I was thinking "We still have Marianne and Eddy and Mountaingirl, they are great people, too. Maybe someone will be able to fill Heidi's shoes" (haha, what was I thinking, I don't know.)

But this is really upsetting for me. Really upsetting.

updated Feb 14, 2012
edited by SonrisaDelSol
posted by SonrisaDelSol
Yes, I can confirm that Lovely was offered this role. A 14-year-old! SD staff are so out of touch, they don't know their own best members. Geeezzz!!! - pesta, Feb 13, 2012
Lovely is only 14? Wow. I would never have guessed.... But I don't anyone realizes I am only 15. ;) But yes, the staff should know more about the people they are picking as moderatiors. - Jadey7, Feb 13, 2012
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There are numerous sites with excellent learning resources, and forums where people will answer technical questions on points of language.

No disrespect to Paralee whose lessons are great, what marked this one out was the excellent friendly forum which did so much more than just answering language questions, it stimulated and encouraged us in our language learning and that was down to the people on the forum, not the layout, the technical niceties or the management, the people.

updated Feb 15, 2012
posted by MaryMcc
Yeah Paralee rocks - rabbitwho, Feb 13, 2012
This is exactly it MaryMcc! You hit the nail on the head! - rabbitwho, Feb 13, 2012
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What was once a five course gourmet meal, is now re-fried spam
MARSHALL PROVERB

updated Feb 14, 2012
edited by 0043ad50
posted by 0043ad50
No, you insult spam. It's just junk food like all the other websites. - pesta, Feb 13, 2012
You just made me realize I was hungry - rabbitwho, Feb 13, 2012
Advice from an old biddy, don't eat spam or junk food; they will make you fat and raise your cholesterol and most other Spanish learning websites will give you high blood pressure - or their admins will. - Lector_Constante, Feb 13, 2012
Let me know if you publish a book of your proverbs, I'll buy it. My current favorite, Blessed are the flexible for they will not get bent out of shape... - Pinolero, Feb 13, 2012
How aptly put!!! - territurtle, Feb 14, 2012
Lector, the admins never did that for me but the management have already managed to do it for many here - FELIZ77, Feb 14, 2012
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Infact I believe that the only chance this place has of improving now, Paralee is with you at the wheel unless Heidi is invited back! smile

This place needs people like you,Paralee to manage it who know how to manage people well wink

updated Feb 15, 2012
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
Things will improve, amigo, just wait and see. :-) - --Mariana--, Feb 13, 2012
Marianne, if Paralee leads us forward I may well stay and follow :) I am not sure that I would do/stay with anyone - FELIZ77, Feb 13, 2012
I understand the need for patience, but that doesn't work in the emergency room. People are leaving. - pesta, Feb 13, 2012
I am sure Paralee will do an outstanding job. - Eddy, Feb 13, 2012
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Me cuesta creer que no se pudieran aplicar los cambios en el foro sin causar tanto dolor. Siempre hay varias formas de hacer las cosas, y creo que no habéis elegido precisamente la mejor. No olvidéis que detrás de cada número y de cada nombre de usuario hay una persona con sentimientos. Y un foro sin personas y sin sentimientos es muy difícil de mantener.

updated Feb 15, 2012
posted by Cordobesa
Sí, estoy de acuerdo Cordobesa. - ajaks, Feb 14, 2012
Gracias, Ajaks. - Cordobesa, Feb 14, 2012
Exacto! Forums this big without enough moderation usually have to be closed down, look what happened on the notes in Spanish forum! They thought they could do it themselves, they could not. There's no forum there now. - rabbitwho, Feb 14, 2012
muy bien dicho Cordobesa - galsally, Feb 14, 2012