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Short translation excercise 7 Francisco Madero, Open to all

Short translation excercise 7 Francisco Madero, Open to all

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Have a look at the previous threads, in case you wish to do the translations.

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I found one more from "La Revolucioncita Mexicana" about the Mexican revolution written by Rius.

This is positively the last from this book

This one is extremely challenging, That is why this one is open to everyone. and there is a " Palabrota" hidden in the lines, Since we cannot post these I will accept **X******** for the word or a PM with it. I will know if you have it correct.

As usual,the author is up to his usual cynical, mischief. In this case he seems to like our friend Francisco Madero.

Context:

Madero is the reluctant " fair haired boy "of the revolution.

Here is the context in Spanish: Hay la idea de hacernos que la revolución se inició gracias a Don Francisco Madero,que lo organizó todo y fue el gran héroe.

This is the translation excercise:

Ni quien le niegue sus méritos al chaparrito, que los tenia en su sitio. Pero Madero fue realmente el ultimo de todos los que alzaron la voz ( y las armas) contra la dictadura y el que capitalizó las luchas,los muertos y la sangre de cientos de Méxicanos nada agachados.

A vote for all who try the translation. And "best answer" for the best translation

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updated Jul 29, 2011
edited by pacofinkler
posted by pacofinkler
Category... :) - 001a2987, Jul 11, 2011
Thanks Chris - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
major wow, jeje - 00494d19, Jul 11, 2011
Heidi thank for the fix! - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
If you see a typo please tell me - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
Is it correct to say 'Hay LA idea...' instead of 'Hay U N A idea...'? - bomberapolaca, Jul 11, 2011
La Idea, Idea is a feminine noun Bombera - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011

8 Answers

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Ni quien le niegue sus méritos al chaparrito, que los tenia en su sitio. Pero Madero fue realmente el ultimo de todos los que alzaron la voz ( y las armas) contra la dictadura y el que capatilizó las luchas,los muertos y la sangre de cientos de méxicanos nada agachados.

Nobody can deny the fair haired boy's "merits" (the worthy features) , which he had right in its place.

Pedro Madero was actually the last to raise his voice (and weapons /his "weapons") against dictarorship and who usurped the fights, the deaths and the blood of hundreds of unbent Mexicans

Wow, this was so difficult I wonder if I understood that correctly.

Can you say "his merits" in English and does it mean , his , ehem, you know what I mean?

The word "mexicanos" is not capitalized in Spanish.

Would we use usurp here? I am understanding he is saying it was all his doing.

updated May 23, 2012
posted by 00494d19
And a major Wow to you! and yes they are "estos cosas" - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
Hi, Heidita. Actually I think that Rius does not say that Madero claimed it was all his doing, but that he took advantage of the revolt against the dictatorship to asume the leadership and eventually become the President of the country. - LuisCache, Jul 11, 2011
yes, paco, I know it means that in Spanish, but if we say "his merits" would be understand the same in English? - 00494d19, Jul 11, 2011
We dont have in english a true equivalent, "Merits "will have to do, with raised eyebrows of course. we can also use " H******" and i will understand. - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
Heidi You have the best answer here I have no choice Mi Reina - pacofinkler, Jul 29, 2011
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I agree with Luis.

Not only does Rius belittle Madero, he belittles the entire revolution by referring to it as "La Revolucioncita Mexicana." In this case, the diminutive doesn't indicate endearment, but something of little value. Rius does however have some respect for the individuals who died in battle, "Mexicanos nada agachados," unlike his lack of respect for Madero by stating that he was the last to call for the revolution.

updated Jul 11, 2011
posted by 005faa61
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Well, this text makes me think that Rius not only dislikes Madero, "el chaparrito" (the midget), but that he sees him as an opportunist. I think that Rius manipulates the facts at his own convenience. But that's only my point of view. In 1911, Madero won the first democratic elections for the Presidency in the history of Mexico since the independence of this country, in 1821. And it took almost one hundred years before the Mexicans had another democratic election, in the year 2000. Throughout the 20th century, there was not another democratic election, because the country was first ruled by warlords and then by a single political party, emerged from the revolution.

Ni quien le niegue sus méritos al chaparrito, que los tenia en su sitio. Pero Madero fue realmente el ultimo de todos los que alzaron la voz ( y las armas) contra la dictadura y el que capatilizó las luchas,los muertos y la sangre de cientos de Méxicanos nada agachados.

We can not deny his merits to the midget, who was indeed a brave man. But Madero was actually the last of all who protested (and took the arms) against the dictatorship, and the one who took advantage of the battles and the deads and the blood of hundreds of brave mexicans.

updated Jul 11, 2011
edited by LuisCache
posted by LuisCache
"midget"lol!!!!!!!! - fjfuentesh, Jul 11, 2011
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Ni quien le niegue sus méritos al chaparrito, que los tenia en su sitio. Pero Madero fue realmente el ultimo de todos los que alzaron la voz ( y las armas) contra la dictadura y el que capatilizó las luchas,los muertos y la sangre de cientos de méxicanos nada agachados.

No one denies the merits of the little one, who had them in place. But Madero was the last of all to raise his voice (and to rise in arms) against the dictatorship; and it was he who capitalized on the stuggles, the deaths and the blood of hundreds of Mexicans, who bowed to nothing.

May I say that I am in complete accord with Luis regarding the spin placed on these events and players by Ruis. But I suppose we are all aware that Ruis has a particular perspective on most things and, being aware of that, I find his accounts interesting -- and something of an object lesson in themselves. But Madero, if not perfect, strikes me as being one of the good guys in all of this.

Another thing that strikes me is that anyone who raises rheir voice -- or arms -- against a dictator can be credited with having "merits."

Which makes me think again of our "soldaderas" and that perhaps such metaphors were anachronistic even a century ago.

updated Jul 12, 2011
posted by TejanoViejo
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Ni quien le niegue sus méritos al chaparrito, que los tenia en su sitio. Pero Madero fue realmente el ultimo de todos los que alzaron la voz ( y las armas) contra la dictadura y el que capatilizó las luchas,los muertos y la sangre de cientos de Méxicanos nada agachados.

No one denies his value to the (dwarf?), who he had in his place. But Madero was really the last of all that lifted his voice (and weapons) against the dictator and lacking strategy, capitalized on the struggles, the deaths and the blood of hundreds of Mexicans.

I know the first sentence is wrong but I couldn't make sense of it.

updated Jul 11, 2011
posted by Leatha
Work on the first sentence Leatha, there is something hiding there - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
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I'm taking a wild guess on the meaning of "nada agachados" being the R-rated phrase.

No one denied the merits of the little shorty, that he had them in their place. But Madero was actually the last of all those who raised their voices (and weapons) against the dictator and [it was] he who capitalized on the battles, the deaths and the blood of hundreds of Mexicans who did not bend over and take it.

updated Jul 11, 2011
posted by LaBurra
no the R rated one is early in the paragraph - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
Oh,well, I tired! I look forward to seeing the correct answer. - LaBurra, Jul 11, 2011
Well try again - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
OK. Does "chaparrito" refer to his having small private parts? - LaBurra, Jul 11, 2011
No La Burra ,he was a small man, but his character??????? - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
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Ni quien le niegue sus méritos al chaparrito, que los tenia en su sitio. Pero Madero fue realmente el ultimo de todos los que alzaron la voz ( y las armas) contra la dictadura y el que capatilizó las luchas,los muertos y la sangre de cientos de Méxicanos nada agachados.

Nobody will question the merits of this little kid, who had them clearly set out. However, in reality, Madero was the last of those who spoke out and rose in arms against the dictatorship and it was him who capitalized on the battles, death and bloodshed of hundreds of Mexicans, who did not back off.

Ok, I really don't know where this palabrota is...

updated Jul 11, 2011
posted by bomberapolaca
Madero may have been a small man in stature, but not in " xxxxxxx" - pacofinkler, Jul 11, 2011
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No one denied the short squaty boy had merit, that he had them in their place. However, Madero was actually the last person you´d think would raise his voice (and weapons) against the dictator and the one who profited from fights, the deaths, and the blood of hundreds of Mexicans.

I couldn´t come up with anything for "nada agochados". I like brave though.

updated Jul 11, 2011
posted by tc84