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Do you think it is impossible to memorize the English Dictionary in a Year? And then the Spanish Dictionary in another year?

Do you think it is impossible to memorize the English Dictionary in a Year? And then the Spanish Dictionary in another year?

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Do you think it is impossible to memorize the English Dictionary in a Year? And then the Spanish Dictionary in another year?

I can tell you right now, it is not impossible! I met a man whom my parents are friends with and rather fond of. He memorized both the English and Spanish dictionaries in 2yrs.

He makes a living playing online poker and he spends his days reading dictionaries. He is working on his third one at the moment: French.

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updated Apr 8, 2014
posted by princessjane
can you tell me the name of your friend who memorized the dictionary? I am casting a tv show and we are looking for people who memorized the dictionary - dancer1927, Apr 8, 2014

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Absolutely possible. I'm starting today.

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by kcofhb
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Photographic memory might enable someone (very few) to memorize a dictionary. The question is which one? (a little pocket one or one that weighs several kilograms) And why? And how would it help speak or understand a language?

Further just knowing what an English word is in Spanish does not mean you know how and when to use it.

updated Jun 19, 2010
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
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For the average person, no. For a savant yes. One quite intelligent fellow learnt the Finnish language (supposedly one of the hardest) by reading their dictionary. He accomplished this in......

A WEEK!!!!

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by El_Hitch
Who? - ian-hill, Jun 18, 2010
I heard about this guy, too. Apparently he had quite a few languages under his belt before this, but he was definitely something special. Sorry, can't remember his name, though, Ian. - MacFadden, Jun 18, 2010
Daniel Paul Tammet (born 31 January 1979) is a writer with high-functioning autistic savant syndrome. - --Mariana--, Jun 19, 2010
Whoa, I was a lot late on that response!! Sorry Marianne :) - Jason7R, Jun 19, 2010
He can work out very very hard maths equations in his head and recite the number pi- 3.141 etc to 30 000 decimal points - El_Hitch, Jun 19, 2010
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Anything is possible, but to just memorize something like a dictionary, with no context, no interaction, no practice etc., etc., how long will it stick?? That is the question - I don't believe it will stick unless you're a human computer.

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by Lise-Laroche
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Absolutely not. The human brain can contain approximately 10,000 words at any one time. The English language has over 1,000,000 words (including scientific words) and there isn't a single major dictionary that contains less than 450,000 words. Even though the Spanish language has approximately half as many words as English, it would still be impossible to memorize an entire major Spanish dictionary.

updated Jun 20, 2010
posted by hithere3387
Where did you get the figure of 10,000 words? At an average of 5 characters per word, one byte per character, that's 50 kilobytes of data. That's trivial. You can't reliably read a novel without knowing more words than that. Think spelling bee champions. - KevinB, Jun 18, 2010
And what about people who have memorized the New York City telephone directory? There are more than 10,000 people in NY, most have at least 2 names, and they have a phone number and address. - KevinB, Jun 18, 2010
Data isn't stored in the human brain the same way that it is in a computer. The quantity of data isn't as important as what the data reflects. Of course the brain can hold significantly more than 50 kilobytes of data, but a word isn't just the - hithere3387, Jun 20, 2010
character sequence. It is the definition(s) of the word as well as the pronounciation, in addition to the characters themselves. In fact, I think that it is currently thought that the characters are stored seperately from the information about the word. - hithere3387, Jun 20, 2010
In addition, you could absolutely read a novel or speak without a vocabularly of more than 1000 words. Language is extremely ambiguous and context often determines meaning. On average, humans only use 400 words daily to communicate with one another. - hithere3387, Jun 20, 2010
You might be able to read one novel with a vocabulary of 1000 words, but you couldn't read many novels. And you are completely discounting people who are fluent in several languages. They certainly know more than 10,000 words. - KevinB, Jun 20, 2010
No, the human brain stores information holographically. Its capacity is unknown, but extremely large, much larger than a few kilobytes. - KevinB, Jun 20, 2010
OK, I looked it up. The average American college student has an active vocabulary of roughly 60,000 words, and a passive vocabulary of about 80,000 words. - KevinB, Jun 20, 2010
I wasn't discounting people who know several languages, but I was using figures from 3 years ago. If you say that the new data suggest that people have vocabularies of 80,000 words, then I suppose better research has been done since. - hithere3387, Jun 20, 2010
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Since we are talking about Savants, there are also Music Savants. These are usually people who are blind, and the part of their brain which is supposed to be used for vision, instead becomes used for music. They can play 2 pianos simultaneosly, one with each hand perfectly. They will never ever make a mistake and remember every piece they ever played. No none savant could ever be as good as them and even the top musicians can not compete. Unfortunately since they are savants they have immense troubles with tasks such as eating and even communicating so its difficult to find out the secret behind their genius. And remember- they are blind

The best of all of these is perhaps Derek Paravicini.

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by El_Hitch
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Not in a year with the full version of the Oxford English Dictionaryalt text

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by peterpierre2
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But can he put a sentence together in the proper context?

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by MattM
who? Kim Peeks? - El_Hitch, Jun 19, 2010
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As hitchens mentioned, there are those called savants or idiot savants, who can do exceptional things. There was once a Tom Cruise movie entitled "Rainman". His brother there, played by Dustin Hoffman, is an idiot savant.

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by Rikko
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That was based on the real life Kim Peeks. This guy could read one page of a book with one eye, and the other with the other eye, taking him 3 seconds to read 2 pages. He remembered everything he ever heard, saw, did, and on what day. He remembered what the weather had been like every single day, and if you told him your birthday, he would work out what day of the week you were born on. Instantly

But Kim Peek (rain man) was a savant who suffered a lot and was incapable of using language properly. He was just able to tell you facts.

The savants i was reffering to, were less full of facts than Mr Peeks was, but far better off and would be able to learn and speak languages.

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by El_Hitch
I think he learned to speak Icelandic in an absurdly short period of time. I saw a movie about him once - nizhoni1, Jun 18, 2010
His name was Daniel Tammet :) - Jason7R, Jun 19, 2010
Daniel Tammet is the savant who learnt Icelandic in a week. Kim Peeks is rainman who could read the whole of Tolstoys war and peace in about 10 minutes. And then recite it for you with 100% accuracy - El_Hitch, Jun 19, 2010
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I would think a very small number of people could accomplish that.

I doubt you could really learn a language that way, though it would be a tremendous help. However, if you have the mental capacity to memorise a dictionary, you should be able to learn almost anything you choose.

Personally, I can't remember where we keep the dictionary !

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by fontanero
:-) - Dee914, Jun 19, 2010
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When I was in the second year of medical school and were tested every Saturday we joked about memorizing the Manhattan phone book.It would have been better if we were savants.

updated Jun 19, 2010
posted by nizhoni1
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Yes, I believe it is. Jerry Lucas (ex-basketball player) memorized the Manhattan telephone directory, and he's no savant. He has a series of systems for memorizing things, and he wrote a book with Harry Lorayne, who is also an expert at memorization, called, "The Memory Book". I've read it and use some of the techniques, though I've never bothered to memorize telephone directories or dictionaries. I highly recommend the book, though.

The gist of it is that you don't memorize a whole bunch of things, you only memorize two things at a time, with a link to tie them together. Then you link the 2nd thing to the 3rd thing, then the 3rd thing to the 4th thing, and it can go on indefinitely. I used to do a card trick where I'd have someone shuffle a deck of cards, show me the cards in order, then hide the cards. I could tell them the order of cards all the way through the deck. I could also guess someone's card if I had them pick a card and put it back in the deck, because it would be out of order. It's a simple trick, once you learn it and practice a bit.

updated Jun 19, 2010
edited by KevinB
posted by KevinB
Yes that can be learnt if one puts in the effort. - ian-hill, Jun 18, 2010
The simpler parts aren't that hard. Learning how to memorize a deck of cards took me about a week to do it at speed. Memorizing telephone books is a different matter - KevinB, Jun 19, 2010
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I personally could see little point in being able to remember all that information because you would need the intelligence to know how to apply that knowledge to benefit others and help yourself.

Additionally, as far as it applies and extends to learning languages, I have found that while it takes a few minutes to look up a word that you don't know or have forgotten, in a dictionary, it can take months and even years to learn how to use verbs correctly which are the invaluable building blocks of any language... so, from experience, I would rather have memorised irregular verbs and idiomatic expressions (modismos) than the contents of any dictionary in the world.

updated Jun 18, 2010
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77