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Try to find out what this means: Tradiciones, María José Navarro

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This was published only yesterday, so I couldn't help it, it's really funny and Scots will love it!! I must call my Eddy to it!! And the kilt bit...that is hilarious LOL

And no, no name searching or football! I hope you like itgrin

10 Enero 10 De vez en cuando una viaja por esas tierras de Dios aprovechando las vacaciones y los precios de las compañías low cost, que al final ni son tan low ni le informan a una del cost que supone hacer colas interminables. El caso es que esta vez a una le dio por ir a Escocia, que es un sitio precioso en el que hace un frío horroroso y en el que servidora iba tapada hasta la nariz, apéndice que no consigo abrigar por exceso de superficie, mientras los nativos iban en faldita y camiseta. En faldita, sí, en kilt, prenda elegantísima que llevan más de los que una se espera. Los escoceses llevan kilt por tradición e identidad y por los mismos motivos cumplen con muchas otras tradiciones. Los escoceses, al menos los que una ha visto, son amables y celosos de lo suyo, cuidan sus ciudades, admiran a sus soldados y se ocupan de que el visitante vuelva a casa recordando su tierra con esa mezcla de complicidad y cariño que dejan los sitios en los que te han tratado bien. Da la sensación de que los escoceses se esfuerzan en conservar sus tradiciones por duras que sean –porque no me negarán que eso de ir en falda sin panties ni nada en pleno invierno no debe ser duro– y por aquello del respeto a los mayores, la identidad y el orgullo. Y una piensa si ese es tambien nuestro caso, o si podría serlo, o si debería serlo. Piensa en si estamos dispuestos a conservar aquellas tradiciones que no sean del todo cómodas, como por ejemplo que sean los Reyes Magos quienes traigan los regalos cuando todo el mundo sabe que es mucho más cómodo que los traiga Papá Noel, que llega justo al principio de las fiestas y así los niños dan menos la lata. O si estamos dispuestos a ser amables con el visitante y mantener las ciudades límpias, al menos para que los turistas no crean que seguimos asilvestrados. ...... Y entonces es cuando, como en aquello de Dante, abandona una toda esperanza. Ains.

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updated Jan 17, 2010
edited by 00494d19
posted by 00494d19
Heidta, te juro que pensé que no podía participar, porque estaba destinado solo a angloparlantes.... - Carlos-F, Jan 17, 2010
Si puedo, participo desde el próxmo, te lo prometo... - Carlos-F, Jan 17, 2010

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I know this is way above my weight, but Chaparrito has been too busy to do his smaller ones lately, so I thought I'd give it a try smile

But I do know there's a lot wrong with it !

10 January 2010

From time to time one travels to Gods lands taking advantage of the low cost airlines holidays and prices, which in the end are neither so low, nor do they take into account the cost involved in the endless queues.

Anyway, this time it happened to be for Scotland, a beautiful place which is frightfully cold and where your humble reporter went covered up to the nose, an appendage that I cannot keep warm because of it's excess surface area, while the natives were in a little skirt and t-shirt.A little skirt, yes, a kilt, an elegant garment that they wear more than one would expect.

The scots wear the kilt out of tradition and national pride, and for the same reasons that they comply with many other traditions. The Scots, at least those that I have met are friendly and protective of their own, look after their cities, look up to their soldiers, and try to ensure that the guest returns home remembering their country with that mixture of involvement and affection that is left by those places that have treated one well.

It seems that the Scots are striving to preserve their tough traditions - because they can't tell me that going out in a skirt with no pantyhose or anything in the middle of winter isn't tough - and for that I admire their elders, their identity and their pride.

And one wonders if this is also our situation, or if it could, or should be. One wonders if we are prepared to preserve those traditions that are not entirey convenient, like, for example, that of the Three Kings who bring gifts when everyone knows that it is much easier if Father Christmas brings them, who arrives right at the beginning of the holidays and that way the children are less troublesome. Or if we are prepared to be friendly to visitors and to keep our cities clean, at least so that tourists do not imagine that we are wild animals.

And that's when, as Dante said, one abandons all hope. Sigh.

That's the best I can do on "Ains" - I eventually found it defined as "a sound like a sigh" - am I close?

updated Jan 17, 2010
edited by sheila-foster
posted by sheila-foster
I'll do the same but I also think that the text is beyond my capabilities... - bomberapolaca, Jan 12, 2010
I wish I had read your translation before I tried mine, Sheila. This is excellent - patch, Jan 12, 2010
Don't count on it being "right" :) - sheila-foster, Jan 12, 2010
OMG - I don't deserve this !!!!! Whoo-Hoo !!!!! :) :-) - sheila-foster, Jan 17, 2010
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Jan 10, 2010. From time to time one travels in those blessed lands, taking advantage of vacations and “low cost” prices, which in the end are not so low, and neither do they tell you the toll that the interminable lines will take. As the case was, your reporter had the chance to go to Scotland, a beautiful place where the cold is horrific, and where your reporter went around covered up to the nose, which was an appendix that could not be covered due to its large size, while the natives went around in little skirts and t-shirts. In little skirts, yes, in kilts, a most elegant garment that they wear more than one might expect. The Scotsmen wear the kilt for the sake of tradition and identity, and for the same reasons they fulfill many other traditions. The Scottish, at least those seen here, are friendly and keen on what’s theirs, they take care of their cities, admire their fighting boys, and make sure that visitors return home remembering their land with a mixture of complicity and affection which one has for places that have treated you well. One gets the feeling that the Scottish people work to preserve their traditions, no matter how hard they may be – because no one will deny that going around in a skirt without panty hose or anything in the middle of the winter has got to be hard – and thereby maintain their identity, pride, and respect for their elders. And one wonders if this is also the case with us, or if it could be, or should be. One wonders if we are prepared to preserve those traditions that are not at all convenient -- for example, that it is the Three Kings that bring presents, when everyone knows that it is much more convenient if Papa Noel brings them, since he arrives right at the beginning of the season and thus the children pester less. Or if we are prepared to be kind to visitors and keep our cities clean, at least enough so that the tourists don’t think we are still feral. And that is when, like in Dante, one abandons all hope.

Panties para hombres causan furor en Londres

But what is Ains?

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by kattya
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January 10, 2010 From time to time, a traveler through God's green earth, making the most of the holiday sale prices, that in the end is neither very low, nor do they tell you of the cost that they figure will follow the purchase for who knows how long.

A case in point is one that someone gave about a trip to Scotland, a beautiful place that is horribly cold, in which a maid would go with her tapada up to her nose, an appendage that doesn't get covered due to it's excessive size. Meanwhile the natives would go around in miniskirts and t shirts.

In a mini skirt, even a kilt, an elegant garment that they wear much more often than one would hope.

The Scots wear kilts for tradition and identity, and for the same reasons they carry out other traditions.

The Scots, at least the ones anyone knows about, are a friendly and conscientious lot, caring for their cities, admiring their soldiers and caring for those returning home from duty, remembering their homeland with that mixture of complicity and affection that leaves their countryside so well kept.

It seems that the Scots are striving to preserve its traditions that are hard- for they won't deny me that to go in a skirt without pantihose in the middle of winter should be hard, and for that thier respect for their elders, identity, and pride.

And one wonders if this is also our case, or if it could be or even should be.

Consider whether we are willing to preserve our traditions that aren't completely comfortable, like, for instance, that the Reyes Magos bring the gifts, when the whole world knows it's much more comfortable that Papa Noel does it since it comes at the beginning of the holidays, so the children give less.

Or if we are willing to be nice to the visitor and maintain our cities' cleanliness, except for the tourists that think we don't bathe...... and in that case, as it says in Dante's story, abandon all hope. AINS.

updated Jan 17, 2010
edited by Goyo
posted by Goyo
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In answer to patch - "real" scotsmen don't wear "panties".

I dare not post this picture on here - Heidi would kill me - but copy and paste this link into your browser.

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu157/sheila-foster_photos/kilt.jpg

(only if you are not easily offended) smile

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by sheila-foster
Please be gentle with me. - Eddy, Jan 13, 2010
I am Aghast, mind you I have seen worse, hehe - Eddy, Jan 13, 2010
No wonder the queen has a smile on her face. She took the picture before this one. - Eddy, Jan 13, 2010
I'll take your word for it, Shiela ;) - patch, Jan 13, 2010
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Once again, not literal but an interpretation.

10 January 2010. from time to time a journey through God’s country taking advantage of the holidays and the travel company’s budget prices, that eventually aren’t any cheaper nor do they inform you of the endless queues due to these cut prices. The fact is that this time they gave a holiday break in Scotland, which is a beautiful place where they have cold weather like you wouldn’t believe and where women completely cover themselves except for the nose which I couldn’t cover because of its size, while the Scotsmen went about in short skirts and “T” shirts. In short skirts, yes, called “kilts”, elegantly charming that they wear more often than one would expect. The Scottish wear kilts for tradition and their identity and they also fulfil many other purposes. The Scottish, at least those that one has seen, are kind but jealous of their own, they look after their cities, admire their army and they make sure that when visitors return home they remember Scotland with a mixture of togetherness and love because they have been treated so well. You get the feeling that the Scots make an effort in preserving their traditions no matter how difficult that may be – because they cannot deny that to go about wearing a skirt, without tights or anything else underneath, in mid winter, is not hard – and because of that you have to respect the elder Scotsmen, their identity and their pride. And one wonders if we should be likewise or if we could do the same. Thinking are we willing to preserve those traditions that we may not find totally comfortable, for example that it’s the three wise men who bring presents when the rest of the world know that it is definitely Father Christmas who brings them just at the beginning of the holidays so the children are a lot less bother. Or can we be pleasant to visitors and keep our cities clean, at least so they realise we are not reverting back to the wild. Or will it be like entering Dante’s inferno, abandon all hope. Opinions?

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updated Jan 17, 2010
edited by Eddy
posted by Eddy
Found out "pantis" can mean tights. - Eddy, Jan 14, 2010
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10th January 2010. From time to time an old woman from "God's country" takes advantage of the holidays and cheap flights (which - at the end of the day are not so low. And they don't tell you about the endless queues). Well, this time one old woman felt like going to Scotland which is a beautiful place but horribly cold. .............................................................................................. while the natives used to go around wearing skirts and T-shirts, Yes a kilt - an elegant garment worn by more people than you might expect. The Scots wear kilts for tradition and identity and for the same reasons that they maintain other traditions.The Scots (at least the ones that "that old woman" have seen) are friendly and ........................... They take care of their towns/cities, they admire their soldiers and "work" to make sure that visitors go home remembering their country with a mixture of complicity (?) and love where they have treated you well. You get the sensation that the Scots make an effort to maintain their traditions - no matter how hard they are. And they won't deny that all that stuff about going around in skirts with no ...erm...underwear is not hard ......................... and they resect their elders, identity and pride. And one "old woman" thinks that that is our case too, or could be, or should be. She thinks about if we are willing to conserve those traditions that are not so comfortable - like for example the 3 Kings are the ones who bring the gifts (when everyone knows that it's more comfortable to think that Santa Claus brings them just at the start of the party season - to stop kids pestering thier parents) Or if we are willing to be kind to visitors and keep our cities clean - at least so that visitors don't think we are "feral" So, like in the Dante's day, abandon all hope.


............ hmmm - a Scotsman without "panties" (shudder). But what would I know - I'm just a "Sassenach". raspberry

Thanks for this Heidita, I look forward to reading some comments.

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by patch
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January 10th, '10. From time to time a trip through God's country taking advantage of the holidays and the fares of the low cost companies, that in the end are not low nor do they tell you about the endless lines you have to wait in. That was the case this time about one they gave to go to Scotland, that is a lovely place that was horribly cold and in which this humble servant went around covered from head to toe, with only my nose uncovered, meanwhile the natives went around in short skirts and T-shirts. In skirts, yes in kilts, elegant garments worn by more folks than you could imagine. The Scots wore kilts for tradition and identity and for the same reasons they follow many other traditions. The Scots, at least the ones I have seen, are kind and conscientious of their own, looking after their cities, admiring their soldiers, and making sure visitors fly home remembering their land with that mixture of guilt and fondness with which you leave places that have treated you well. With the feeling that the Scots are forced to preserve their hard traditions--because they won't deny that going around in a skirt without tights or anything in the middle of winter is hard--and for that I respect the oldtimers, their identity and their pride. And one thought is if this is also the case with us, or if it could be, or if it should be. I wonder if we are willing to preserve those traditions that are not completely comfortable, like for example that it is the Three Wise men who bring gifts when the whole world knows that it is Santa Claus, they would arrive right at the beginning of the holidays and that would make the children less of a nuisance. Or if we are willing to be friendly with visitors ad keep our cities clean, at least in order to keep the tourists from thinking that we've gone wild. And then it's time, like that in Dante, to abandon all hope. Crazy.

updated Jan 17, 2010
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posted by lorenzo9
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I hope more poeple will join in...no Scotsman around? wink

updated Jan 16, 2010
posted by 00494d19
I am part Scottish, so besides feeling guilty for not doing these, I now really feel compelled. I will sit down with pencil and paper and get back to you. jeje - Nicole-B, Jan 16, 2010
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From time to time one travels to Gods lands taking advantage of the low cost airlines holidays and prices, which in the end are neither so low, nor do they take into account the cost involved in the endless queues.

Anyway, this time it happened to be for Scotland, a beautiful place which is frightfully cold and where your humble reporter---yessssssssswink------- went covered up to the nose, an appendage that I cannot keep warm because of it's excess surface area, while the natives were in a little skirt and t-shirt.A little skirt, yes, a kilt, an elegant garment that they wear more than one would expect.-------I would have said: that more people wear than.....

The scots wear the kilt out of tradition and national pride, and for the same reasons that they comply with many other traditions. The Scots, at least those that I have met are friendly and protective of their own, look after their cities, look up to their soldiers, and try to ensure that the guest returns home remembering their country with that mixture of involvement and affection that is left by those places that have treated one well. big surprise -----great!

It seems that the Scots are striving to preserve their tough traditions - because they can't tell me that going out in a skirt with no pantyhose or anything in the middle of winter isn't tough - and for that I admire their elders, their identity and their pride.confused

And one wonders if this is also our situation, or if it could, or should be. One wonders if we are prepared to preserve those traditions that are not entirey convenient, like, for example, that of the Three Kings who bring gifts when everyone knows that it is much easier if Father Christmas brings them, who arrives right at the beginning of the holidays and that way the children are less troublesome. Or if we are prepared to be friendly to visitors and to keep our cities clean, at least so that tourists do not imagine that we are wild animals. big surprise ---perfect!!

And that's when, as Dante said, one abandons all hope. Sigh.

Yessssssssss, sheila, awesome, this is one overused word in English, I know, jeje, but this was really great. only few parts need some work...but we must see how others didwink Ladies and gentlemen,this is the word: **Sigh**!! Exactly what I would have used! This can be translated in many ways, but here, I think this fits beautifullywink

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by 00494d19
"I cannot keep warm because of it's excess surface area..." Did you mean to type "its?" - 0057ed01, Jan 17, 2010
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Comments:

porque no me negarán

The future tense can be used to indicate incredulity, surprise...

In this case, it was meant to mean: you won't deny that...you won't be able to deny...there is no way you can deny...

Fact is she is talking to the reader, no third person is involved like "they" , as many of you thought.

This whole sentence seemed to be the most complicated one:

Da la sensación de que los escoceses se esfuerzan en conservar sus tradiciones por duras que sean –porque no me negarán que eso de ir en falda sin panties ni nada en pleno invierno no debe ser duro– y por aquello del respeto a los mayores, la identidad y el orgullo

Let's seperate:

Da la sensación de que los escoceses se esfuerzan en conservar sus tradiciones por duras que sean y por aquello del respeto a los mayores, la identidad y el orgullo

It seems that the Scots make an effort to preserve their traditions, however hard they may be, and , even though a hard to fulfill tradition too, to respect their elders, their identity and national pride.

Literally: to conserve their traditions ...and that other (hard) thing: namely respect their elders, ....

Servidora was difficult to get , but those who had read the last thread knew about this onewink

aprovechando las vacaciones y los precios de las compañías low cost,

Taking advantage of the holidays and the low cost airlines...

I learnt the word "feral", lovely. grin

And then of course we finally get to the "ains". LOL

This was discussed here, it can be used for "such a pity", "d'oh", and the most perfect application in this text is : sigh.

Ok, I am chosing Sheilla, good research on ains, well done on the wholegrin I would love to be able to choose two answers this time, Kattya, great job. wink

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by 00494d19
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Kattya, you are the lastgrin

Jan 10, 2010. From time to time one travels in those blessed lands---great-------, taking advantage of vacations and “low cost” prices, which in the end are not so low, and neither do they tell you the toll that the interminable lines will take. As the case was, your reporter had the chance to go to Scotland-----perfect--------, a beautiful place where the cold is horrific, and where your reporter went around covered up to the nose, which was an appendix that could not be covered due to its large size, while the natives went around in little skirts and t-shirts. In little skirts, yes, in kilts, a most elegant garment that they wear more than one might expect. The Scotsmen wear the kilt for the sake of tradition and identity, and for the same reasons they fulfill many other traditions. The Scottish, at least those seen here, are friendly and keen on what’s theirs, they take care of their cities, admire their fighting boys, and make sure that visitors return home remembering their land with a mixture of complicity and affection which one has for places that have treated you well. --------wonderful-------One gets the feeling that the Scottish people work to preserve their traditions, no matter how hard they may be – because no one will deny --------that is it!!-------that going around in a skirt without panty hose or anything in the middle of the winter has got to be hard – and thereby maintainconfused their identity, pride, and respect for their elders. And one wonders if this is also the case with us, or if it could be, or should be. One wonders if we are prepared to preserve those traditions that are not at all convenient -- for example, that it is the Three Kings that bring presents, when everyone knows that it is much more convenient if Papa Noel brings them, since he arrives right at the beginning of the season and thus the children pester less. Or if we are prepared to be kind to visitors and keep our cities clean, at least enough so that the tourists don’t think we are still feral. And that is when, like in Dante, one abandons all hope.

I am always amazed by the great understanding you have of the language, Kattya, this translation is almost perfect. grin However, you did not research *ains*...hmmm, I am thinking. *Not at all* is not correct, the sentence should read: not that/not completely convenient.... I will make some comments in a seperate post.

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by 00494d19
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Here we go with Greg's attemptwink

anuary 10, 2010 From time to time, a traveler through God's green earth---great-----, making the most of the holiday sale prices, that in the end is neither very low, nor do they tell you of the cost that they figure will follow the purchase for who knows how long.confused

A case in point is one that someone gave about a trip to Scotland, a beautiful place that is horribly cold, in which a maid would go with her tapada up to her nose, an appendage that doesn't get covered due to it's excessive size. Meanwhile the natives would go around in miniskirts and t shirts.

In a mini skirt, even a kilt, an elegant garment that they wear much more often than one would hope.-----esperar here is expect, not hope, Gregwink-----

The Scots wear kilts for tradition and identity, and for the same reasons they carry out other traditions.

The Scots, at least the ones anyone knows about, are a friendly and conscientious lot, caring for their cities, admiring their soldiers and caring for those returning home from duty, remembering their homeland with that mixture of complicity and affection that leaves their countryside so well kept.

It seems that the Scots are striving to preserve its traditions that are hard- for they won't deny me that to go in a skirt without pantihose in the middle of winter should be hard, and for that thier respect for their elders, identity, and pride.

And one wonders if this is also our case, or if it could be or even should be.

Consider whether we are willing to preserve our traditions that aren't completely comfortable, like, for instance, that the Reyes Magos bring the gifts, when the whole world knows it's much more comfortable that Papa Noel does it since it comes at the beginning of the holidays, so the children give less.

Or if we are willing to be nice to the visitor and maintain our cities' cleanliness, except for the tourists that think we don't bathe...... and in that case, as it says in Dante's story, abandon all hope. AINS.

I was under the impression, that his thread was actually not so difficultconfused, but I can see I was wrong. some tenses used have so far not be recognized by anybody...only one to go, so let's see. You did not recognize the author being the one to travel...she is the "servidora", an expression which means: the one who is talking...in this case, the reporter herself.

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by 00494d19
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Ok, here we go with my Eddy:

from time to time a journey through God’s country taking advantage of the holidays and the travel company’s budget prices, that eventually aren’t any cheaper nor do they inform you of the endless queues due to these cut prices. The fact is that this time they gave a holiday break---they??----- in Scotland, which is a beautiful place where they have cold weather like you wouldn’t believe and where women ---------we did use the "servidora" before!!wink-----completely cover themselves except for the nose which I couldn’t cover because of its size, while the Scotsmen went about in short skirts and “T” shirts. In short skirts, yes, called “kilts”, elegantly charming that they wear more often than one would expect. The Scottish wear kilts for tradition and their identity and they also fulfil many other purposes. The Scottish, at least those that one has seen, are kind but jealous of their own, they look after their cities, admire their army and they make sure that when visitors return home they remember Scotland with a mixture of togetherness and love because they have been treated so well. -----great------You get the feeling that the Scots make an effort in preserving their traditions no matter how difficult that may be – because they cannot deny that to go about wearing a skirt, without tights or anything else underneath, in mid winter, is not hard – and because of that you have to respect the elder Scotsmen, their identity and their pride. And one wonders if we should be likewise or if we could do the same. Thinking are we willing to preserve those traditions that we may not find totally comfortable, for example that it’s the three wise men who bring presents when the rest of the world know that it is definitely Father Christmas who brings them just at the beginning of the holidays so the children are a lot less bother. Or can we be pleasant to visitors and keep our cities clean, at least so they realise we are not reverting back to the wild.--great!!------ Or will it be like entering Dante’s inferno, abandon all hope. Opinions?

Hmmm, so far nobody got the "no me negarán " bit...or the " por aquello de...". In the Father Christmas bit you missed the word *comfortable*!!, made all the differencewink

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by 00494d19
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Patch, this is the first time I see you on my "killers", way to gowink

0th January 2010. From time to time an old woman from "God's country" takes advantage of the holidays and cheap flights (which - at the end of the day---great expression------ are not so low. And they don't tell you about the endless queues). Well, this time one old woman felt like going to Scotland which is a beautiful place but horribly cold. .............................................................................................. while the natives used to go around wearing skirts and T-shirts, Yes a kilt - an elegant garment worn by more people than you might expect. The Scots wear kilts for tradition and identity and for the same reasons that they maintain other traditions.The Scots (at least the ones that "that old woman" have seen) are friendly and ........................... They take care of their towns/cities, they admire their soldiers and "work" to make sure that visitors go home remembering their country with a mixture of complicity (?) -------yes-------and love where they have treated you well. You get the sensation that the Scots make an effort to maintain their traditions - no matter how hard they are.------great------- And they won't deny that all that stuff about going around in skirts with no ...erm...underwear is not hard ......................... and they respect their elders, identity and pride. And one "old woman" thinks that that is our case too, or could be, or should be. She thinks about if we are willing to conserve those traditions that are not so comfortable - like for example the 3 Kings are the ones who bring the gifts (when everyone knows that it's more comfortable to think that Santa Claus brings them just at the start of the party season - to stop kids pestering thier parents) Or if we are willing to be kind to visitors and keep our cities clean - at least so that visitors don't think we are "feral" So, like in the Dante's day, abandon all hope.

*Feral,* great word, never heard that before, very much to the point. As you can see, your text still needs some work, I wonder why you used the old woman...hmmmm,. Way to go, Patch, I hope you will visit the "killers" againwink

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by 00494d19
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anuary 10th, '10. From time to time a trip through God's country taking advantage of the holidays and the fares of the low cost companies, that in the end are not low ---not exact----nor do they tell you about the endless lines you have to wait in. That was the case this time about one they gave to go to Scotland****,??? that is a lovely place that was horribly cold and in which this humble servant went around covered from head to toe, with only my nose uncovered----something missing here----, meanwhile the natives went around in short skirts and T-shirts. In skirts, yes in kilts, elegant garments worn by more folks than you could imagine. The Scots wore kilts for tradition and identity and for the same reasons they follow many other traditions. The Scots, at least the ones I have seen, are kind and conscientious of their own---nice!!---, looking after their cities, admiring their soldiers, and making sure visitors fly home remembering their land with that mixture of guilt and fondness with which you leave places that have treated you well. With the feeling that the Scots are forced to preserve their hard traditions--because they won't deny that going around in a skirt without tights or anything in the middle of winter is hard--and for that I respect the oldtimers, their identity and their pride. And one thought-wrong tense----- is if this is also the case with us, or if it could be, or if it should be. I wonder if we are willing to preserve those traditions that are not completely comfortable, like for example that it is the Three Wise men who bring gifts when the whole world knows that it is Santa Claus, they would arrive right at the beginning of the holidays and that would make the children less of a nuisance. Or if we are willing to be friendly with visitors ad keep our cities clean, at least in order to keep the tourists from thinking that we've gone wild. And then it's time, like that in Dante, to abandon all hope. Crazy.

Lorenzo, good job, however this time you did worse than the last killer thread, which I thought was more difficult. confused Yours is the first I am looking at, so let's see how the others didwink

updated Jan 17, 2010
posted by 00494d19