me doy

Question

i give up and i gave up in spanish:

me doy y me di '?

any other way to say it'

This thread has been getting answers since '09 and seems to continue on as the song that never ends... funniest part, the person who posted didn't even get a vote yet. =] - DJ_Huero, Apr 9, 2012

Answer 1

I miss read your comment, I thought you written that you were rude and then I glanced over your statement and read that you had deleted a comment from Lazarus 1907,and I decide to proclaim you as rude. Finally, a day after , I read your comment again and realized that you were as sweet as ever and not even remotely rude. What you actually wrote was as follows:
Well, we do not get so much difference in population here but we do get half the amount...so Mexicans are right '? Spaniards are definitely the minority here. And I do not want to mention the fly example Lazarus likes using, jeej, sorry, too rude.
So, I am very sorry I pproclaimed you rude. If any one looks for me, Ill be over at the wood shed or dog shed or wherever ever the pushment is given.

Heidita said:

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Gus said:

[b]There is no need to be rude in a discussion among educated people or people that are trying to learn. I can see being rude in a traffic dispute or a radio host beig rude because it atracts customers-listners-.It is so ever easy to be rude it is harder to maintain decorum.

Heidita said:

There are are roughly five Americans for every British, so if one wanted to be narrow-minded, one might say that speakers of British English, being in the minority, are the ones out of line when there is a difference in usagePopulation:109.955.400 Mexico46.157.822 SpainWell, we do not get so much difference in population here but we do get half the amount...so Mexicans are right '? Spaniards are definitely the minority here. And I do not want to mention the fly example Lazarus likes using, jeej, sorry, too rude.

I have no clue whatsoever ,gus, why you would consider my comment rude. I am simply stating a fact. The first to talk about statistics was James, I am simply following suit.I don't know if you refer to the example Lazarus once gave (which was deleted I think) but it is a simply fact that however many people use this "me doy" ---|-it is still incorrect. Like the "la man allí", which is abhorrent.The fact that many people use it does not make in any better.We have our own crosses to carry with the leísmo for example. However many people use it, it is not correct grammar.The leísmo is at least understood though by all Spanish speakers, not so "me doy" or "la man allí"

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Answer 2

All I have to say is trust me, you do not wanna give up.

Answer 3

Thinking about "I give " I came across a similar expression in English. Without boring people with the details I was asked to give some suggestions and ideas for something and after about 5 minutes of contributing some pretty useless ideas I proclaimed "I'm out". This is obviously a shortening of "I'm out of ideas" and although is not a phrasal verb like "I give up" still represents (in context) an incomplete sentence. However, I use it frequently and have never had any problems being understood.

Answer 4

My husband said he'd heard "I give" for "I give in" / "I give up," but only a few times. I wonder if this is slang originating from chat talk, where everything gets abbreviated.

I have heard it used, and used it myself, since I was a child, or at least a teenager, and that decidedly predates "chat talk." {blush}

Answer 5

Natasha said:

My husband said he'd heard "I give" for "I give in" / "I give up," but only a few times. I wonder if this is slang originating from chat talk, where everything gets abbreviated.

James Santiago said:

James, I do think you had to make a thorough search. I did make a search too and I got to page 10 and no hit on "me doy" in this sense. ( I gave up)That's only because you didn't include the English in your search string. "Me doy" alone gives mostly false hits, of course, because it can mean lots of other things (me doy cuenta, etc.). Narrowing the search in this way is essential in using Google for language purposes.It is perfectly fine for you and others to say that "me doy" is rarely or never used where you live to mean "me doy por vencido," and the same applies for "I give" (although I'm still puzzled by how many people say they have never heard this exceedingly common phrase). The only thing that bothers me is how quick people on this list are to state unequivocally that a phrase is "wrong," when that is clearly not the case in other locales. Correctness is dictated entirely by context and situation. Spanish spoken in Spain is no more intrinsically correct than Spanish spoken in Mexico or anywhere else, and in certain contexts it would be downright inappropriate.A little magnanimity here would be very welcome.

No, I have heard this for years. Well before computers or the internet became popular.

Answer 6

My husband said he'd heard "I give" for "I give in" / "I give up," but only a few times. I wonder if this is slang originating from chat talk, where everything gets abbreviated.

James Santiago said:

James, I do think you had to make a thorough search. I did make a search too and I got to page 10 and no hit on "me doy" in this sense. ( I gave up)

That's only because you didn't include the English in your search string. "Me doy" alone gives mostly false hits, of course, because it can mean lots of other things (me doy cuenta, etc.). Narrowing the search in this way is essential in using Google for language purposes.

It is perfectly fine for you and others to say that "me doy" is rarely or never used where you live to mean "me doy por vencido," and the same applies for "I give" (although I'm still puzzled by how many people say they have never heard this exceedingly common phrase). The only thing that bothers me is how quick people on this list are to state unequivocally that a phrase is "wrong," when that is clearly not the case in other locales. Correctness is dictated entirely by context and situation. Spanish spoken in Spain is no more intrinsically correct than Spanish spoken in Mexico or anywhere else, and in certain contexts it would be downright inappropriate.

A little magnanimity here would be very welcome.

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Answer 7

James, I do think you had to make a thorough search. I did make a search too and I got to page 10 and no hit on "me doy" in this sense. ( I gave up)

That's only because you didn't include the English in your search string. "Me doy" alone gives mostly false hits, of course, because it can mean lots of other things (me doy cuenta, etc.). Narrowing the search in this way is essential in using Google for language purposes.

It is perfectly fine for you and others to say that "me doy" is rarely or never used where you live to mean "me doy por vencido," and the same applies for "I give" (although I'm still puzzled by how many people say they have never heard this exceedingly common phrase). The only thing that bothers me is how quick people on this list are to state unequivocally that a phrase is "wrong," when that is clearly not the case in other locales. Correctness is dictated entirely by context and situation. Spanish spoken in Spain is no more intrinsically correct than Spanish spoken in Mexico or anywhere else, and in certain contexts it would be downright inappropriate.

A little magnanimity here would be very welcome.

Answer 8

Another example of how it was possible for me to learn so much Spanish by listening to pop music:
Luis Fonsi has a song entitled "No me doy por vencido" on his album, "Palabras del Silencio."

Answer 9

If I hear someone say "I give" it might not make any sense unless I heard the inflection in the words. If it was said with a puzzled tone or in exasperation, it would be obvious that they are "giving up". If they are handing something to me and they have a 'foreign' accent I would assume that they are giving me something and speaking in an incomplete sentence because they do not have a sufficient mastery of the language.

But, if it is obvious that they have a high level of English mastery... it boggles my mind to think that they would simply say "I give" without mentioning the article. Only if they said "I give" in a 'matter of fact' tone, or as a declaration would I think, even for a second, that they were referring to actualy giving me something.

I admit that I am from the United States, born and raised. Americanized English is my first language. But, very few cues would be needed for me to understand what the speaker is talking about when they say "I give".

Answer 10

It IS however interesting to see that the RAE actually DOES mention the "darse" which we are discussing here:

53. prnl. Méx. darse por vencido (? ceder del propio dictamen

And if it is mentioned in the bible...who are we to say otherwise.

Answer 11

Vikingo said:

Gus said:

It is not a complete sentence, is not proper Spanish, and it might not be in any diccionary.

Hi Gus, actually it is in several dictionaries, it's just a matter of having the good sense of looking it up. Then again, when the heat is on and the juices flowing, why bother with such details?

Here are a couple of examples:

Collins:

c darse verbo pronominal

1 (=entregarse) to give in.

[url=http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual'TIPO_BUS=1&LEMA=dar]RAE[/url] (and the last example is a real gem):

1. prnl. Entregarse, ceder en la resistencia que se hacía. No hay miedo de que se dé ese a quien van a prender. Ya se ha dado el que disputaba.

Saludos

Huh?

It has long been established that this verb " to give in" is a very normal and widely used verb, vikingo.

If you had had the good sense to read the thread, to use your own words, you would know what we are talking about.

Answer 12

Gus said:

It really does not matter whether that code or expression is used in Spain, Guatemala, Argentina or any other country.

The fact is that it is used in Mexico and most,if not all Mexicans understand what it means.

Me doy is an Mexican expression used by Mexicans, they like using it.And it is theirs, whether we non Mexicans like it, or call it Mexican or lingo or what-ever name we choose it is not revelant.

I think, and correct me if I am wrong, Punisher, who is a foreigner thought this was quite a usual expression in Spanish, as a general idea, not only Mexican. He even asked for the past tense.
So I was asking whether this was only understood in Mexico or anywhere else too, which I think is relevant, especially for a learner.

Answer 13

Gus said:

It is not a complete sentence, is not proper Spanish, and it might not be in any diccionary.

Hi Gus, actually it is in several dictionaries, it's just a matter of having the good sense of looking it up. Then again, when the heat is on and the juices flowing, why bother with such details?

Here are a couple of examples:

Collins:
c darse verbo pronominal
1 (=entregarse) to give in.

[url=http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual'TIPO_BUS=1&LEMA=dar]RAE[/url] (and the last example is a real gem):
48. prnl. Entregarse, ceder en la resistencia que se hacía. No hay miedo de que se dé ese a quien van a prender. Ya se ha dado el que disputaba.

Saludos

Answer 14

My dear friends,
It great to see how you all rally around your loved language.
¨Me doy¨is an Mexican expression or code,if you will, that to them it means, I give up.
It is not a complete sentence, is not proper Spanish, and it might not be in any diccionary You all have writen that is not to be found in the internet either 'so be it.

It really does not matter whether that code or expression is used in Spain, Guatemala, Argentina or any other country.
The fact is that it is used in Mexico and most,if not all Mexicans understand what it means.

I was thinking of the code that is used by the U S Army´s Soldiers when talking through a walkie talky or Radio trans receiver, if you will, when, I was in the Nam we used to call it ¨prick 25, its proper name was PRC 25.
What the soldiers use to comunicate among each other
it is half English and half lingo. This tool, the radio lingo, is not found in any grammar book or a regular dictionary, is not proper language it is just a tool that allow army personnel to comunicate with each other clearly thru the radio.

Of course when Mexicans used their expression me doy among themselves they understand what it means.

Me doy is an Mexican expression used by Mexicans, they like using it.Andit is theirs, whether we non Mexicans like it, or call it Mexican or lingo or what-ever name we choose it is not revelant.

PS.The expression "The NAm" is not gramatically correct English, The US people living in Viet Nam during the 1960 -1970 used it. It was a code or a tool that meant to them
The Republic of South Vietnam.

PS. I think we all have been a little provincial, haven' we not?

Heidita said:

PUNISHER said:

i agree with you, i have to learn the correct way at first, but in the other hand, being among a group of people who are having an informal conversation, using (too much perfect sentences might make your words lose its flavour). it is good to learn slangs, abrevs,....ect from all parts of the world, that will make the comunication more interesting. YES learn the correct language then think of using it in informal ways.but when i asked about (me doy) is just because i have heard it in T.V and i was wondering if it is the correct way to say it OR if it could be understood in some parts atleast. (because the program where i heard (me doy) in, is a comedy program, where for sure when they use funny expressions mainly it is very informal).i am not with or against any of the opinions in this thread, as my first language is not english or spanish.i like to be able to speak the correct language as well as knowing how people use that language in their own way.

Hi PuniI think your current teacher is from Venezuela, why not ask her if she would understand this. In Spain it would not even be understood.I will try ti find people from different Hispanic countries. Let's see. I do not consider this slang. I think is it simply an incomplete sentence, both in English and in Spanish.James, I do think you had to make a thorough search. I did make a search too and I got to page 10 and no hit on "me doy" in this sense. ( I gave up)

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Answer 15

PUNISHER said:

i agree with you, i have to learn the correct way at first, but in the other hand, being among a group of people who are having an informal conversation, using (too much perfect sentences might make your words lose its flavour). it is good to learn slangs, abrevs,....ect from all parts of the world, that will make the comunication more interesting. YES learn the correct language then think of using it in informal ways. but when i asked about (me doy) is just because i have heard it in T.V and i was wondering if it is the correct way to say it OR if it could be understood in some parts atleast. (because the program where i heard (me doy) in, is a comedy program, where for sure when they use funny expressions mainly it is very informal).

i am not with or against any of the opinions in this thread, as my first language is not english or spanish.

i like to be able to speak the correct language as well as knowing how people use that language in their own way.

Hi Puni

I think your current teacher is from Venezuela, why not ask her if she would understand this. In Spain it would not even be understood.

I will try ti find people from different Hispanic countries. Let's see. I do not consider this slang. I think is it simply an incomplete sentence, both in English and in Spanish.

James, I do think you had to make a thorough search. I did make a search too and I got to page 10 and no hit on "me doy" in this sense. ( I gave up)