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Negative imperatives in Spanish trigger the subjunctive,Explanation wanted .

Negative imperatives in Spanish trigger the subjunctive,Explanation wanted .

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I was asked to correct a sentence because I used "busca" instead of "busques "

my sentence was in the negative which I was told triggered the "subjunctive".

Although this sounded correct and familiar to me I would like to have a refresher

from one of our clever and knowledgable members , please keep it simple.

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updated Aug 29, 2016
posted by ray76
:) - ian-hill, Aug 27, 2016
Dani told me that a negative imperative triggers the subjunctive. - ian-hill, Aug 27, 2016
Yes that is what I was told , but I would like to see the lesson printed out here to simplify it. - ray76, Aug 27, 2016

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You just need to revise the imperative. I learnt the imperative as a build up to the subjunctive as most forms use the subjunctive mood. Tu is different as it only uses the subjunctive mood on negative commands.

This sets it out well but as it is based in USA doesn't explain vosotros, but you probably remember that one! Buscad is the affirmative but like tu, in a negative command it uses the subjunctive form.

Imperatives

updated Aug 27, 2016
edited by Mardle
posted by Mardle
Yeeeees, that is what I said ,I am hoping that someone will write it out in a simple form for us.. Thanks mardle. - ray76, Aug 27, 2016
Imperatives for all negative commands use present subjunctive. The same form is used for affirmative commands too. Exceptions are tu and vosotros which in affirmative use a different form. - Mardle, Aug 27, 2016
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I was asked to post an answer to this question, not because anybody was incorrect in their information, but they appreciate the simple way I state difficult truths.

Imperatives: These are phrases where you are telling someone to do something.

There are three kinds. Informal (tú, vosotros) formal (usted, ustedes) and "Nosotros" comanda. "Lets eat at "El Cholo's)

The easiest ones are the formal commands. Just use the subjunctive forms of the verb. Remember that irregular verbs have their own peculiarities beside the endings. I will just give the regular verbs here.

"Camine Ud)." "Caminen )Uds)." Walk

Coma (Ud.) Coman (Uds). Eat

Escriba (Ud) Escriban (Uds). Write

The tricky ones are the familiar commands.

The positive commands for "tú" are the same as the third person (and usted) form. Using the same verbs.

Camina, Come, Escribe.

For the negative command, use the subjunctive of the "tú" form. No camines, No comas, No escribas.

For vosotros commands, just remove the "r" from the infinitive and replace with "d."

Caminad, Comed, Escribid. For the negative commands use the subjunctive.

No caminéis, No comáis, No escribáis.

For the Nosotros command just use the subjunctive for both directions.

Caminemos--No caminemos, Comamos---No comamos, Escribamos,---No escribamos.


Now the above is for regular verbs only.

Some of the irregular verbs have totally different positive command forms.

Ser--sé, No seas, Tener--ten, No tengas, Venir--ven, No vengas, Hacer --Haz,-No hagas, and a bunch more that can be found in the grammar section on SD

There are also other matters, like where to put pronouns. Attatch them to the positive command and place them before the negative command.

Tráemelo--No me lo traigas. (Have you noticed that in this section I have used only irregular verbs?)

There are several ways to get this, study a well structured class where you get only a little bit at a time or go crazy with a mountain of information all hitting you in the face at the same time. I still think that Parelee's course is great. You just get a little bit at a time. Just enough to swallow.

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updated Aug 28, 2016
edited by Daniela2041
posted by Daniela2041
Exactly what I was looking for straight forward and concise , you have a touch , maybe you should take up teaching. - ray76, Aug 28, 2016
:) - ian-hill, Aug 28, 2016
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Negative tú commands are very different- you put no in front of the tú subjunctive form, and pronouns precede. It is essentially the same as expressing an implicit wish in form. You will not find these forms listed in the conjugation under imperatives, you need to remember to use the subjunctive form. Still it is better to think of it as the negative command form is the same as the subjunctive, rather than that the no "triggers" the subjunctive.

The problem with this message is that it gives the impression that Tú imperative negative expresses a wish while the other persons do not - this is wrong. All persons in the imperative positive and negative express the same level of feeling (nuance). The conjugation of Tú imperative negative just happens to be the same conjugation as that of Tú present subjunctive but with imperative we don´t wish - we demand.

Formal commands also use the subjunctive (for that form)- but in this case both in the positive and the negative, singular and plural.

The same with this message. A wish is not a demand, the conjugations just happen to be the same but the nuance between subjunctive and imperative is very different.

When you learn the language as a native you naturally learn all the nuances during childhood, but you don´t notice these similarities of conjugation until later when you study grammar, so it´s best not to think of "imperative uses subjunctive".

updated Aug 28, 2016
edited by 005faa61
posted by 005faa61
Sorry I was not clear, I meant it was written the same, not that it gave the same feel. :) - bosquederoble, Aug 27, 2016
Thank you very much Julian this will go a way for us to get the feel of it . - ray76, Aug 28, 2016
Thanks Julian. This is very clear to me. :) - rac1, Aug 28, 2016
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Commands at the simplest:

There are 8 irregular positive tú commands which must be learned, outside these 8, the form is identical to the 3rd person present indicative, however pronouns if present are attached to the end, and an accent is placed if necessary to maintain the correct stress. When it would be difficult to tell a command from a third person conjugation, exclamation points can be used to make it clear it is the command.

¡Nada! --- Swim!, not he swims.

¡Cómpralo! --- Buy it!

¡Hazlo! --- Do it!

http://www.spanishdict.com/topics/show/65

Negative tú commands are very different- you put no in front of the tú subjunctive form, and pronouns precede. It is essentially the same as expressing an implicit wish in form. You will not find these forms listed in the conjugation under imperatives, you need to remember to use the subjunctive form. Still it is better to think of it as the negative command form is the same as the subjunctive, rather than that the no "triggers" the subjunctive.

Quiero que no lo hagas. I want that you don't do it (I don't want you to do it).

¡No lo hagas! Don't do it!

http://www.spanishdict.com/topics/show/66

Formal commands also use the subjunctive (for that form)- but in this case both in the positive and the negative, singular and plural. In the positive forms the pronouns are attached, like the positive informal command, and thus do not follow the form of an indirect wish. In the negatives the pronouns proceed, just like the informal case.

¡Hágalo! Do it! (formal, usted)

¡No lo haga! Don't do it! (formal, usted)

http://www.spanishdict.com/topics/show/67

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updated Aug 28, 2016
edited by bosquederoble
posted by bosquederoble
Another great lesson thanks mate , I will bump this up a few times so that we can all benefit over time. - ray76, Aug 28, 2016
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For those learning English it is much simpler.

Just use the base verb (infinitive without the "to") in all cases for all verbs.

Do it! - Don't do it!

Just thought I'd point that out. smile

updated Aug 28, 2016
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
Said the actress to the Bishop ! - ray76, Aug 28, 2016
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So is that ,Do it! - Don't do it!

¡Así es que, ¡Hazlo! - No lo hagas . Tu no puede lo hagas !

So is it, Do it! - Do not do it . You can not do it!

Is that correct ?

¿Es eso correcto?

updated Aug 28, 2016
posted by ray76
Second verb would be hacerlo - Mardle, Aug 28, 2016