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'Para hablar' OR just 'hablar' ?

'Para hablar' OR just 'hablar' ?

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Hola!
This might seem like a silly question, but I'm confused and maybe it's because of how we were taught verbs.
I was taught that the infinitive literally means TO DO that action. As in hablar literally means TO talk.

However, I see sometimes that people put "para" before the infinitive. Wouldn't saying para hablar be like saying "to to talk?".


Example: Raquel debe a Madrid para hablar con señora Saurez. Why not just: 'Raquel debe a Madrid hablar con senora Saurez'?

Or does the infinitive NOT mean TO ____?

Muchas gracias !

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updated Mar 11, 2016
posted by meowmeowow
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Hi:

"Para" used in the way means "in order"

"Estudio mucho para aprender" I study a lot in order to learn.

Something was missing in your sentence: Here it is uncorrected.

Raquel debe a Madrid para hablar con señora Saurez.

"Debe" means "should" or "ought" and needs to be followed by (in this case) a verb like "ir" or "viajar" (go or travel) Then you need the feminine article "la" before señora Suarez. (you misspelled that also.)

Here is the corrected sentence with a translation.

"Raquel debe viajar a Madrid para hablar con la señora Suarez."

"Raquel should (or ought) to travel to Madrid in order to speak with Mrs. Suarez.


Now that I have answered your question, could you please go to your profile and fill it out? We really need to know your language levels so that we can answer your questions at the proper level . I always assume that one is a complete beginner, unless I'm told otherwise.

updated Mar 9, 2016
edited by Daniela2041
posted by Daniela2041
Okay, so in this case, could I just not add the para? Can hablar stand alone and just mean she is going to talk to Suarez? Thank you for your help and the corrections! Sorry, I didn't know I had to fill out my profile.still not sure how to reply correctly - meowmeowow, Mar 8, 2016
In Spanish you M U S T express "in order to" We can leave it out in English. Your sentence would not make any sense without "para" . - Daniela2041, Mar 8, 2016
If you need to see how to fill out a profile, just click on my name and see mine. Or click on anybody's name and see how they have done theirs. - Daniela2041, Mar 8, 2016
Thank you! - meowmeowow, Mar 9, 2016
I do think someone other than myself should vote for this answer- it has been two hours and still only has my vote. :) - bosquederoble, Mar 9, 2016
Done Bosque. And yours too. I'm all for additional info :) - jellonz, Mar 9, 2016
Any the key that she explains, is that if you can think in order to (we don't always say it- I did it to win it- really means I did it in order to win it) it should be para- lo hice para ganarlo. If you can't put in order to in the English... - bosquederoble, Mar 9, 2016
para probably is not the right preposition. :) - bosquederoble, Mar 9, 2016
Bosque, acabo de leer este post de Daniela, ya he votado :) - FELIZ77, Mar 9, 2016
I love your "teacher mode" posts. :). - gringojrf, Mar 9, 2016
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To add to Daniela's excellent answer:

Infinitives can be used with or without para, or other prepositions, and you must connect them correctly for the situation.

Take Daniela’s sentence:

"Estudio mucho para aprender" I study a lot in order to learn.

And do some other sentences:

Para aprender es bueno estudiar mucho. In order to learn it is good to study a lot. Here aprender has para, but estudiar doesn’t, it has no preposition.

Voy a empezar a estudiar mañana para aprender a hablar un nuevo idioma. I am going to start studying tomorrow in order to learn to speak a new language. I preceded three infinitives with a and one with para.

Aprender un nuevo idioma es difícil de hacer. Learning a new language is difficult to do. One with nothing and one with de.

I could go on.

The point is that prepositions are very difficult and do not match English necessarily, and just have to be learned.

It may be that a native speaker comes along and says I did one of these sentences wrong. Prepositions are hard.

updated Mar 9, 2016
posted by bosquederoble
Yes, Infinitives can be used without "para". Your sentence "es bueno estudiar" could never be translated it is good inorder to study. But when you say that you do one thing "in order to do another" you H A V E to have the para. You can leave "in order to" - Daniela2041, Mar 9, 2016
--out of the sentence in English. "Voy a empezar a estudiar" I'm going to begin to study. Can you explain the "a" after "Voy?" I can. But didn't want to get into it nor all the uses of infinitives, including using them as a gerund. "Aprender un nuevo - Daniela2041, Mar 9, 2016
idioma" is translated; "Learning a new language" My intent was just to answer the OP's question. I don't know how much she knows. By the way. I am a native Spanish speaker. I was born in Spain. You don't have any errors. - Daniela2041, Mar 9, 2016
Thanks, Daniela. :) - bosquederoble, Mar 9, 2016
Your answer answered her question quite well, i was only trying to point out that she had much more to learn on the subject. It is one of the more difficult aspects, and one I still screw up, and not just from dumb mistakes that I know better than. :) - bosquederoble, Mar 9, 2016
I just gave you a vote. - Daniela2041, Mar 9, 2016
By the way, all these things are easily absorbed when one is involved in a well plannned out course of instruction. "Panorama" and "¿Cómo se dice?" intruduce the material in an orderly easy to follow manner. - Daniela2041, Mar 9, 2016
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When I took Spanish in college it wasn't until the 3rd semester that we were taught the rules of Por and Para. Seemed a little late for me. I did think it was helpful to learn both at the same time.

Para has a lot of uses. In your post, para before an infinitive indicates "in order to." Por ejemplo, "Para sacar buenas notas tengo que practicar español" - "In order to get good grades I have to practice Spanish."

It's one of those words like "ya" that has a lot of different uses depending on intent and context.

updated Mar 10, 2016
posted by Nulo
Good post, :) - FELIZ77, Mar 9, 2016
In my classes we start in the first semester, then carry on through the second where we've learned all the uses of por and para. - Daniela2041, Mar 10, 2016
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Hi, and welcome.

You might be taking the "to" in "to talk" too literally. In English we express infinitives with the word "to," but that's just an accident of English. Better to focus on how infinitives are used in Spanish. (Here's another link. Obviously you can Google up a storm to learn more.)

We would appreciate it if you'd complete your profile. Among other things, when you indicate your level of understanding of Spanish, it helps people answer appropriately.

updated Mar 9, 2016
posted by jtaniel
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updated Mar 11, 2016
posted by ray76
Ray, this is a good link, but it doesn't cover the "in order to" business that I wrote about. - Daniela2041, Mar 11, 2016
Hi Dani could it be added to it , or could you give me the link and i will bump it? - ray76, Mar 11, 2016
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I think you wanted to say "Raquel debe IR/VIAJAR a Madrid PARA hablar con la Sra. Suaréz.

"Para" fits better.

updated Mar 11, 2016
posted by fernand2017