Tener+Past Participle

Question

Hola todo del mundo! Mi nombre es Kenneth. Soy estudiante en la universidad. Hace tres meses que estudio español. Ahora, soy en la clase español muy advanzado por lo menos para mi. Anyway I have to give a presentation about how and why to use tener as an auxillary verb. The thing is I don't really understand it myself. A veces lo comprendo entonces algunas veces no. Espero que alguien pueda ayudarme porque esta muy dificil para mi. In addition to understanding how would affectively teach it. As you can see my spanish is not very good. Do any of yall have examples or tips.

He recibido su carta, pero la he perdido.

Tengo recibida su carta, y estoy a punto de leerla.

Do spanish speakers use both forms a lot?

Welcome to the forum , please accept your first vote :) - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 7, 2011

Answer 1

Here's a previous thread on the same subject tener as an auxilliary verb

And I found this link interesting about the connection between using tener as an auxilliary verb and it somehow denoting possession even if that is only 'in the mind..

I must be pretty dense because I've been to both links before lol. So this can work with any combination? Do you have any examples? Also, thank you for responding so quickly I really appreciate it. - PR1990201, Dec 7, 2011

I think the 'possession' part is the key - tener can't be used as frequently as haber - there needs to be some kind of possession referred to even if it's only mental. - Kiwi-Girl, Dec 7, 2011

Answer 2

hola

puedes enseñarlo con frases a cada persona le das una frase y que la vayan formando.

después las pegas en una cartulina, otra forma puede ser : en power point pones esquemas etc

to : se usa para los verbos to eat - comer sin el to http://elblogdelingles.blogspot.com/2005/12/past-participle-el-participio-pasado.html

http://www.123teachme.com/learn_spanish/spanish_verb_tener_intro

http://www.ingles-gratis123.com/joomla/verbos/to-use-usar-uso-usado-soler-acostumbrado

http://menuaingles.blogspot.com/2011/03/como-utilizar-la-preposicion-to.html

chao

Edited in hyperlinks - Izanoni1, Dec 7, 2011

Muchas gracias - PR1990201, Dec 8, 2011

Answer 3

En breve: The use of tener + past participle generally carries the same meaning as the perfect tenses formed according to the formula haber + participle; however, using tener can also carry with it the added nuance of insistence or persistent repetition.

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Here is a link to another thread that you might find useful: Tener as an auxiliary verb

You might also consider what the Diccionario panhispánico de dudas has to say on the subject:

tener + participio.

El verbo tener se usa como auxiliar, seguido del participio de un verbo transitivo, con el mismo sentido que haber cuando forma los tiempos compuestos de la conjugación:

«Pues la mujer, según tengo oído [= he oído], estuvo sirviendo en su casa antes de casarse».

Translation:
When followed by the past participle of a transitive verb, the verb "tener" is used as an auxiliary verb and has the same value as the verb "haber" as it occurs in the compound tenses. For example, the expression "tengo oído" is equivalent to "he oído" in the following sentence:

Example:
Pues la mujer, según tengo oído (he oído), estuvo sirviendo en su casa antes de casarse.

A menudo la construcción con tener añade un matiz de reiteración o insistencia:

«¡Le tengo dicho [= le he dicho muchas veces] que no me los deje subir al segundo piso, carajo!»

Translation:
Often, the construction with "tener" carries with it the connotation of reiteration or insistence. For instance, in the following example, the expression "le tengo dicho" accentuates the speakers feelings about having to repeat what has already been said. In this case, "le tengo dicho" is akin to "le he dicho muchas veces:"

Example:
«¡Le tengo dicho (le he dicho muchas veces) que no me los deje subir al segundo piso, carajo!»

It might also be worth reviewing the following note regarding agreement:

A diferencia de haber, que se combina siempre con el participio en -o del verbo principal, en la construcción con tener el participio debe concordar en género y número con el complemento directo:

«Los pocos libros que hay aquí los tiene leídos y releídos»

«¿Quién no tiene oídas historias de baqueanos que encuentran huellas donde nadie las supo ver?»

_{Diccionario panhispánico de dudas ©2005}

_{Real Academia Española © Todos los derechos reservados}

In contrast to the verb "haber" which, when forming the perfect tenses, always combines with the singular masculine form of the past participle (i.e. the participle always takes an -o ending), in constructions with the verb "tener," the past participle must agree in gender and number with the direct object.

Example:
1). «Los pocos libros que hay aquí los tiene leídos y releídos»

2). «¿Quién no tiene oídas historias de baqueanos que encuentran huellas donde nadie las supo ver?»

Notice that in the first example, the past participles "leídos" and "releídos" agree in both gender and number with the direct object "libros." Likewise, in the second example, we see that the participle "oídas agrees with the direct object "historias."

Answer 4

As a tangential bit of info, Portuguese actually uses their version of tener (ter) as the auxiliary verb (instead of haver, which is their version of haber).

For example: I have washed = Eu tenho lavado (Eh-oo tehn-yoh lah-vah-doh)

Web, your example is correct but in my Portuguese 501 verbs published by Barron and written by Michael J Ferreira and John J Nitti, Haver is given as the auxiliary verb rather than ter =to have. :) - FELIZ77, Dec 7, 2011

Ter is teh main verb to have that is why it is used to make the compound structure to have to = Ter que Eg: Eu tenho que trabalhar agora = I have to work now - FELIZ77, Dec 7, 2011

@feliz, that's odd because every online resource I've looked at so far only uses ter for the perfeito tense. {shrug} - webdunce, Dec 7, 2011

The only thing I know about this in Portuguese "tenho sido" exists while the spanish counterpart "tengo sido"does not. - PR1990201, Dec 8, 2011

Answer 5

Speak of the devil:

Read the question in this recent thread and notice the auxiliary verb use of Tener+pp.

Wow! That's really cool. Pues, si tener por el participio significa más o menos que have got que por qué aqui usa tengo. I guess what is the difference between he escrtio bien esta oracion and tengo escrita esta oracion? - PR1990201, Dec 7, 2011

Apparently there might be no difference in meanings according to the RAE articles cited. - 0074b507, Dec 7, 2011