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How women are treated in US society has been on my mind recently. The other day I also saw an article about French women seeking greater equality. Italian women have expressed their own frustrations along with women from Islamic countries who live under highly restrictive laws. My question is, what do you all think? Do women need and/or deserve greater equality, respect, rights? Is it possible to legislate better treatment or are views of women too deeply engrained in their cultures?

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updated Jun 12, 2011
posted by Leatha

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I am a feminist, but I am not a gender feminist.

In my opinion, women in the United States are treated fairly. In fact, speaking from the perspective of the mother of anglo males, I sometimes believe that anglo males may be the last considered when it comes to hiring and opportunities for advancement!

I am very grateful to the women in my mother's generation who respectfully entered universities and professional schools or the work force and paved the way for the women in my generation.

I live in a community with significant minority populations. I see the female students of all ethnicities treated equally when compared to their male peers during school related activities.

Having said that, I would agree that there may be some subcultures in the United States that treat women as inferiors. When I see a young woman intentionally getting pregnant to "catch a man", it really breaks my heart. Many of those young women end up painting themselves into a corner. I have several former students who were such promising young women, and I was so hopeful they would break out of the cycle; many of them now have several children. It breaks my heart to see their exhaustion and their undeveloped talents. Where did they pick up the idea that they were not "good enough" to graduate from high school? It was not in the school; as educators we are constantly encouraging all students regardless of gender to reach for their potential.

What about the parents who come to parent teacher conferences, and the mother sits mute while the father pontificates about what his sons will do, while he ignores his equally talented daughter? Is this a commentary on U.S. society as a whole, or is it a commentary on the dynamics of specific families? I tend toward the latter. In fact, I am so proud of an exceptionally talented female student who came from just such a family. With zero familial support she was accepted at a Big Ten University with a full scholarship. She now has five advanced degrees. Her father died several years ago and he never told her he was proud of her. In my opinion, her story exemplifies what a woman can do in the United States.

updated Jun 12, 2011
posted by mountaingirl123
Well said young lady ! But the future is getting brighter and better with each woman who achieves a high status , imagine a country like Australia which was once the bastion of male dominance , but now thank god has a female Prime minister,. - ray76, Jun 11, 2011
I could have written that Ray. But remember Mrs Thatcher !!! - ian-hill, Jun 12, 2011
A good deal of what appears to be "gender inequality" among couples is really a result of 2 problems: 1. Raising of sons (to be dominant, agressive) and 2. Raising of daughters (to be quiet, submissive, accepting) - Lector_Constante, Jun 12, 2011
Who has the most contact with their children? The mother or the father? - ian-hill, Jun 12, 2011
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Hmm, that guy holding up the orange banner is an idiot - putting it the polite way.

I am a female, so I guess I can't tell you what I think about this can I, I imagine you know what my views are, my being female wink

updated Jun 19, 2011
edited by Destroyed99
posted by Destroyed99
Is it just me? Or are there too many I's in that sentence? :P - Destroyed99, Jun 11, 2011
I am a female so I guess that I can't tell you what I think, can I? I imagine that you know what my views are, my being female. Without the "my" it sounds like you are telling the listener that they understand because they are female. - 0074b507, Jun 11, 2011
Not all women think the same way. Most women's thoughts on the subject don't stay the same over their life time. - Leatha, Jun 11, 2011
You are so right , a lot of women are their own worse enemies , instead of taking "the bull by the horns" they too readily accept "the bull" - ray76, Jun 11, 2011
Orange-sign guy is merely exercising his First Amendment right guaranteed here in the US...you would think the photographer would have timed it better? :) - cristalino, Jun 11, 2011
Q, has Lazzy been giving you grammar lessons? :O Kidding :P, Well, Leatha, of course I think women should have more equal rights. I understand what you mean Ray, some women are strange, haha, Cristalino, yes, perfect timing! - Destroyed99, Jun 11, 2011
How do you know the photographer wasn't female - and timed it "perfectly"? - ian-hill, Jun 12, 2011
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At the present moment we have a female Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, born in Barry, Wales - her parents having moved here in search of a warmer climate to aid a sickly child. Her parents, still living, have had the joy of seeing one of their two girls become the first female leader of our country (Australia). Julia presently lives with her partner and by choice has no children.. She is a fiery red-head, tempered by loads of compassion.
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Also we have our first female Governor-General, Quentin Bryce, a Queenslander; in fact the first woman accepted to the Queensland Bar. She has two daughters, three sons and six grandchildren.


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I don't always agree with the viewpoints of these two woman in our society but I take my hat off to them for achieving goals that would be unheard of in many countries around the world - even today.


updated Jun 12, 2011
edited by nonombre
posted by nonombre
I reckon Quentin is a grouse sheila even at her age , i wouldn't mind dancing the fandango with her , although my fan does not dango so well these days. - ray76, Jun 12, 2011
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There are a number of countries that have or have had women presidents and prime ministers. Unfortunately, the US isn't among them. I don't believe this is something that will happen anytime soon. In my opinion, women here are judged first on their physical appearance and second on their abilities. One of things that brought this topic to my mind is that I noticed the last half dozen or so headlines I've seen about Michelle Obama have been about which fashion designer's clothes she wearing to some event. Nothing about her work or thoughts. Really strong, powerful women in politics or business are viewed as *itches or *all busters. Women have made more advances in academic, scientific, and literary fields. Maybe because they can submit for publication with just their initials, i.e. JK Rowling.

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updated Jun 13, 2011
posted by Leatha
I've never Mrs Obama called a ****. - ian-hill, Jun 12, 2011
I haven't either, but doesn't speak in public about political issues. Hilary Clinton did as first lady and her ideas were rejected by a large majority. - Leatha, Jun 12, 2011
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I know that my heart truly breaks for girls born in countries where they are not "worthy" to be educated. Over the years I have heard of quite a few countries where girls are oppressed in this way.

I also feel sorry for girls in my own country who do not appreciate their freedom to go to school in a comfortable bus or family car. The school facilities are clean, beautiful and climate controlled. Some girls, even if they have the option of going to school, have to walk miles and miles each day, only to wind up with the type of school pictured below. The difference is...they are grateful!!!

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updated Jun 12, 2011
posted by Nicole-B
The question then is - Do we need to go back to a time when Education was a privilege and not a right , in order to engender more appreciation and a desire to study ? - ray76, Jun 11, 2011
I don't know the answer to this question Ray. It seems that with each generation, the sense of entitlement increases. That is why I like bringing my kids to places within my own city and in different parts of the world where life is very difficult. - Nicole-B, Jun 12, 2011
My kids have grown up knowing that even though we don't have a ton of money in the bank.....we are extremely rich! :) - Nicole-B, Jun 12, 2011
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The only solution to personal rights (whether for women, men, children, various religious groups, various other minorities, etc.) is education. The recent thread on "eating possibly contaminated food" made me feel some dismay. The knowledge and methodology of simple "food safety" should be so common that this subject would be ... boring! But instead it was frightening - imagine what it is like for uneducated, home-bound women ....

One of the best arguments for education of females is that all women (and especially those in countries, ethic areas, etc. which restrict a woman to marriage and child-bearing and no other occupation) need to learn about: childhood illness & treatment; basic first aid' food preservation, preparation & nutrition; simple psychology (in child-rearing); basic educational methods; dealing with pests & vermin; basic mechanical skills; and female anatomy, body function and pregnancy. No little girl will learn about these things at home, because her mother never learned about them, either! A simple school taught by persons of unimpeachable character will cure such ignorance --- and eventually lead these girls to think for themselves (as well as save many lives and a lot of misery).

And eventually, they will stand on their own two feet (and use their own brains) and that will lead to similar enfranchisement for everyone else.

updated Jun 12, 2011
posted by Lector_Constante
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I am a woman who was born in Australia, and I will never leave this country. I believe I have equal rights to any man, and the freedom to live my life the way that I want. I am proud of the woman who fought for equality in Australia, and even prouder of those woman who fight for rights in war torn countries. I believe every woman (and man) should have the freedom to live peacefully, and the freedom to choose how they will live their lives peacefully. smile

updated Jun 12, 2011
posted by WitchyLioness
" I believe I have equal rights to any man " If you ask nicely first maybe hahahaha. But I know what you mean , the women of OZ are probably the strongest and the most free in the world ,they fought hard for that right and deserve it. - ray76, Jun 11, 2011
G'day mate ! , Nice to hear from you , I am from Melbourne where the "Ranga " lives .My mom is 98 and the equal to any man , and better. - ray76, Jun 11, 2011
Nice to hear from you too :) Wow, 98 years old! I thought my Nan did well to live to 96 :) Bet your mum is very kind though. Woman from that generation are so kind, sweet, and really strong :) - WitchyLioness, Jun 11, 2011
She is , but can, and does gives me the "rounds of the kitchen" she did so last week when i stupidly told her to" be quiet while i wheel you into town" Oh boy did I regret that slip of the tongue. - ray76, Jun 11, 2011
Ray, it seems that your mum is the same age as my great-great grand mother! ;) She is a wonderfull one :) She can't speak much English though, only Italiano :P - Destroyed99, Jun 11, 2011
HAHAHA Tha'ts why I added in 'very strong' It was my way of saying 'warrior woman' :) I admire the woman from that generation. They know how to defend themselves, and still retain beautiful souls :) - WitchyLioness, Jun 11, 2011
And remember because of wars and natural attrition the women of those times had to bring up large families alone and unaided. - ray76, Jun 12, 2011
Yup. - Destroyed99, Jun 12, 2011
That's why I admire them so much. They are amazing woman :) And let us not forget the males from that era who are also just as amazing. Those men and woman went through hell so we could all have the freedom we do today. :) I admire them all! - WitchyLioness, Jun 12, 2011
They are thin on the ground today sadly , the men that is , they have not lasted so well due to the wars and hard life . - ray76, Jun 12, 2011
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Actually, there is a place for everything in this world.

I was stunned, to say the least, to read about this new movement in the States called "Obedient or surrendered Wives".

Perfect wife for the guy with the orange banner if you ask me.

So , I mean to say, that there are so many woman out there who have to obey their husbands , their brothers, they are by law not allowed to vote, they even get mutilated....downer so why would there be women who choose to surrender to a man with no apparent reason, is quite beyond me.

updated Jun 12, 2011
posted by 00494d19
I am with you here, Heidi :) Some women are such strange ones :P haha - Destroyed99, Jun 12, 2011
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In reply to A-Annie's post...

"She is a fiery red-head"

Red heads have souls!

Gingers have souls

I think that is the right youtube, I can't click it, but it will do smile

updated Jun 12, 2011
edited by Destroyed99
posted by Destroyed99
If the link doesn't work, google "Gingers have souls" - Destroyed99, Jun 12, 2011
Hi there Koalasan - actually where I'm from we call them "rangas" :) - nonombre, Jun 12, 2011
Hey, wow, rangas? That sounds weird! I hope it isn't an offensive term. :) - Destroyed99, Jun 12, 2011
HAHAHA My man is a 'ranger' and he agrees with the song - "Only a ginger can call another ginger, ginger." This song is also on youtube, look it up and have a laugh :) - WitchyLioness, Jun 12, 2011
Song? What I meant for you to watch wasn't a song, try find the origional from that guy, I will look that up on my other computer tomorrow :) - Destroyed99, Jun 12, 2011
"Ranga" comes from "Orangatan " who are all red haired. - ray76, Jun 12, 2011
Oh I know what one you are talking about - You type in 'gingers do have souls coppercab' - CopperCab is the guy who first uploaded it :) - WitchyLioness, Jun 12, 2011
Yes! That is it! I can't believe I forgot! Did you like it? He was on the news, personally, I think he has a point, people shouldn't discriminate because of hair colour. :) - Destroyed99, Jun 12, 2011
Yes I liked it, and I definatly do agree with you. People shouldn't tease and judge those based on hair colour. :) - WitchyLioness, Jun 12, 2011
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To be honest about this in my opinion the last few decades of outright feminism has left many younger men wondering just what the h*** their role is in society.

They have been labelled in so many negative ways.

updated Jun 12, 2011
posted by ian-hill
That sounds like a personal problem rather than a societal one ... (:-) - Lector_Constante, Jun 12, 2011
Really ! Have you ever been a young man? - ian-hill, Jun 12, 2011
I think that has as much to do with the increasing difficult time young people are having becoming established as independent adults as anything. My daughter is 32, law school grad and has only in the past year been able to fully support herself. - Leatha, Jun 12, 2011
Many men that age in the same boat leatha. I won't list the things men have been labelled as over the last few decades. - ian-hill, Jun 12, 2011
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Here's a podcast about Feminism in literature

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updated Jun 12, 2011
edited by lagartijaverde
posted by lagartijaverde