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A Venezuelan Joke - Guess the meaning!

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I received the following Venezuelan joke via Twitter, a couple of days ago:

Señor pide marrón claro y recibe con leche oscuro

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Can you figure out why it's funny?

Try and come up with a meaningful translation, and an explanation of what's going on.

You may use this thread for context and reference, if you wish. wink

Please, no natives, and specially no one with experience with the Venezuelan culture.

Let the students make a few good guesses as to what this little puzzle may mean!

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updated Feb 14, 2011
edited by Gekkosan
posted by Gekkosan
What happened, my little green friend? Your color has changed! - 005faa61, Feb 14, 2011
Just one of those moods, and honoring a good friend. ;-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Yeah, what's up with the new pic? It's not you? I miss the lizard. - amykay, Feb 14, 2011
Woty' mean? It's a perfect lizard face, it is! - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
omg, changed personality, grrrrrrrrr, I loved that green man:P - 00494d19, Feb 14, 2011
Now, now. Just one day that one doesn't have time for the morning facial, and evryone gets bent out of shape! :-D - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
tell me, did you ever end up with a turnip of your own? - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
oh how lovely, the green guy is back:):):) - 00494d19, Feb 14, 2011
:-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Yay, he's back, he's back! - amykay, Feb 14, 2011

23 Answers

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Well, on translation I get "He asks for light brown, but receives dark white (milk)"

Maybe the context is something like: he asks for coffee with milk, but receives milk with coffee?

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by NickDan
Not quite, but not a bad guess at all. :-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Actually, this was nearly it. Very, very close. - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
I'm sorry Kiwi, Luz et all. Reading Kiwi's answer, I realized that it was exactly what Nick had written earlier, so it was not fair that I accept the same answer from someone who posted it later... - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Please see my "Explanation" post. - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Well done Nick, thank goodness Gekko finally accepted an answer - now I can go and do some work :p - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
Congrats Nick! Good job! :) - Brynleigh, Feb 14, 2011
¡Gracias! - NickDan, Feb 14, 2011
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Explanation:

This is one of those cases where I wish I could Accept more than one answer. Because neither was quite exactly right, but all had elements of rightness about them.

The thread about coffee I referred is important because in there I explain some of the most common types of coffee requested by Venezuelans at the coffee-shop.

Essentially the basic spectrum goes:

Dark black (negrito)

Light Black (guayoyo - watered-down black)

Marron Oscuro (dark black coffee with a spot of milk)

Marrón (about half and half)

Marrón Claro: (slightly more milk than coffee)

Con leche (more milk than than cofee)

Tetero (milk with a spot of coffee).

So this guy asked for marrón claro, and got a con leche oscuro, which are in fact exactly the same thing, because there's absolutely no way to make such a subtle distinction.

So as hinted by Kiwi, Luz and Bombera, the guy is in fact just being obnoxiously picky. As first stated by Nick, it is the equivalent to him having asked for "coffee with milk" and complaining about getting "Milk with coffee", only subtler. Perhaps a more familiar analogy would be: he asked for a glass half-full of water, and complained because he received a glass half-empty of water!

Nice job all who gave it a shot!!

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updated Feb 15, 2011
posted by Gekkosan
¡Claro! ¡Gracias! - NickDan, Feb 14, 2011
Thanks for the explanation, Gekko:)...I don't compromise on my coffee either:), so it's always good to know how to order the right one:) - luz_72, Feb 14, 2011
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I believe it's a joke about a guy who invents reasons to be disatisfied with the service...probably he doesn't know what he wants, but he knows it's never what they are serving him...

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by luz_72
nice :) - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
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So it's a bit like saying, I wanted coffee with milk but you gave me milk with coffee?

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by Kiwi-Girl
thank goodness for that, I so should have been working but at last I can leave, yay! - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
thanks for putting us out of our misery :p - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
oh, now I see what Gekko meant by "explaining the joke"...congrats, Kiwi:) - luz_72, Feb 14, 2011
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From the thread I take it a man asked for a coffee with some milk and got more milk than coffee. But that doesn't seem funny to me.

updated Feb 14, 2011
edited by Leatha
posted by Leatha
Not a bad guess, but no - this is not it. - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
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Okay, here's another guess: I'm living in Mexico at the moment and have noticed that unless explicitly requested, coffee is always served black (no milk). Now if Venezuela is so coffee-crazy then I'm guessing coffee is never served with milk either and it would be considered totally weird to request it with milk.... so the man requests coffee with milk, but in order to preserve the "integrity" of the coffee, the waiter serves it to him with black milk so that it isn't noticeable...? And by black milk, they mean more coffee...?

updated Feb 14, 2011
edited by NickDan
posted by NickDan
Nawwww! There's no such thing as "black milk", you silly! Coffee with milk is very common in Venezuela. - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
you silly? that's not very good England Gek! - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
Sez you, Kiwigal! I've heard it plenty, and used it lots too, while living in England. - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Gek is correct. It's very common. - NickDan, Feb 14, 2011
really? don't you have to say you silly something? - if you're using it as an adjective don't you need a noun? or we would all go round saying 'you funny' 'you green' 'you turnip eating' etc surely something is missing? - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
You can add a "something" if you like, for eg. "You silly boy!", but in its most frequently used form no noun is mentioned. That does not mean you can go around saying "you funny", "you green", etc! :-D - NickDan, Feb 14, 2011
@Kiwi: See? Silly dag! :-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
are you guys sure? not even a little 'are' in there - you 'are silly, an 're maybe? you're silly ja ja not that I'm digging my toes in, being difficult or anything je je. Proof perhaps? - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
@Kiwi: http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_us1290723#m_en_us1290723 - NickDan, Feb 14, 2011
Nick, I can see you and I are going to get along just fine, muchísimas gracias, now isn't that funny because 'come on silly' sounds perfectly fine to me, but 'you silly' sounds weird. The link is much appreciated, gracias :) - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
¡Estuvo un placer, Kiwi! :) - NickDan, Feb 14, 2011
"Fue" un placer. :-) I'll happily accept contributions to get a plane ticket to New Zealand, so that I can learn the local dialect and improve my English fluency! :-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
well you know, we are rather picky about who we let in, after all, space is limited here - and we have a strict pet policy, I'm afraid Gekkos dont have much hope of being allowed in, legally at least http://www.movetonz.org/taking-pets-to-new-zealand.html - Kiwi-Girl, Feb 14, 2011
Make that 2 tickets... I've been wanting to see NZ for a while now.... Thanks for the correction Gek! - NickDan, Feb 14, 2011
Pschah! I'll see if I'll have time in my exceedingly busy schedule for New Zealand, when they come to my agent's door begging for a visit and a speech at the University of Auckland! - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
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I'm thinking the guy got exactly what he asked for, but the person was messing with him. Café marrón claro is close to café con leche oscuro, they're kind of opposites but really sound like the same drink. O.o

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by LiveUnsheathed
Now, why didn't you say that in your first post! You'd have taken the prize very early on! But then -that - would have been cheating, because anyone who has been in Venezuela for some time should have gotten the joke right away! - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
I don't order my coffee every day, I just make it at home. lol - LiveUnsheathed, Feb 14, 2011
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How about, "He asks for a clear answer but gets an unclear response. (double-talk)

or

It's like asking for the real thing but getting it watered down (diluted).

updated Feb 14, 2011
edited by Brynleigh
posted by Brynleigh
Definitely gets a vote for being such a creative theory,but no. It's nothing nearly that complicated. - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Rats! lol - Brynleigh, Feb 14, 2011
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HINTS:

Ok, this is really not as complicated or deep as all that. It is actually an extremely simple and silly joke.

It is not that funny, either.

The thead about coffee is important, because I explained in there some of the subtleties about Venezuela's love affair with coffee.

I suggest you read my "explanation" post in that thread, and then read the quote again carefully smile

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by Gekkosan
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Omg, that's too involving!!! I should stick to my duties. Maybe:

He asks for a black coffee and gets what he wants?

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by bomberapolaca
Very close. - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
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I think "marrón claro" should be about the same with "con leche oscuro"...

...the guy is trying to make a really subtle distinctionsmile

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by luz_72
You're sooooooo close!!! Come on, you're nearly there. What's the joke? :-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
I think it's a game of words...used to depict a picky customer... - luz_72, Feb 14, 2011
So how would you put this in English? Can you tell /explain the joke? - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Well how can one explain a joke?:)...you either get it or no:) - luz_72, Feb 14, 2011
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Was the guy just trying to show off? Making himself out to be the big connoisseur?

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by Kiwi-Girl
Hm... there's a touch of that, but I'd wouldn't say he's trying to pass off as a connoisseur. Add this to what Luz wrote, and you gals are a cat's whisker away from getting it right. :-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
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I live in Venezuela and hardly understand that one. rofl But, I'm guessing the person asked for light café marrón which kind of defeats the purpose of ordering it. He should have asked for café con leche. If you like strong coffee, café con leche tastes like milk with a little coffee or dark milk.

That's my understanding, or misunderstanding. Café negro o café marrón, por favor!

I'm having a hard enough time learning Spanish here, while trying to observe their culture and all that. It's so much info it makes my head want to explode. I learn something, then they say it's wrong. I memorize phrases, and they say them differently.

I'm a little stressed to say the least, so bear with me, please. smile

Stormy

updated Feb 14, 2011
edited by LiveUnsheathed
posted by LiveUnsheathed
Hey! I expressely said "specially no one with experience with the Venezuelan culture" :-p Fortunately, you don't have it right. ;-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Hm... I hope you know I'm just teasing, yes? :-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Hey, no! Leave it, please! I really don't mind, and it was not a bad attempt. Not right, but it should help in finding the right answer! - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
I don't really know you, so I felt a bit insulted. =P - LiveUnsheathed, Feb 14, 2011
What do you mean you don't know me!? You have 1.9k points of reputation, so you're not a newbie anymore! Get you're feather's down, Stormcloud - I'm just being my usual obnoxious self, but I *did* put little smileys to soften my reply! :-P (like this!) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Well, you've never been snarky with me before! =P You're usually just really pleasant and knowledgeable. But, I'll remmeber you like to joke. :) - LiveUnsheathed, Feb 14, 2011
Do, please!! >:-] - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
Thanks for your comment regarding having a hard time learning Spanish. I know what you mean, just when I think I have something figured out, I find I have it all wrong! Boing! That is me hitting my head on the wall! jaja - Brynleigh, Feb 14, 2011
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Hmmm. I'm with Stormcrow. I lived in Caracas, but I'd just be guessing.

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by KevinB
I'm kind of surprised you didn't get this one, Kevin. Don't you like coffee? :-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
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Grrrr! This is why I usually don't participate in threads like this; this is going to bug me until I get it! grin

Okay, here is my second stab: he asks for a latin girl (in an unusual way), but instead receives a tanned white girl?

I'm pulling at straws here! tongue wink

updated Feb 14, 2011
posted by NickDan
Definitely pulling at straws. You were much, much, *much* closer with your first guess! (The best one so far, in fact) - Big hint here. :-) - Gekkosan, Feb 14, 2011
I live there and I don't get it. rofl - LiveUnsheathed, Feb 14, 2011