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Please help me with an equivalent English sentence, even if this sentence is incorrect in Spanish. If it is an error in Spanish, I have to (as close as possible) replicate the error in English. Lazarus is always good at doing this, but I welcome ideas from anyone.

"Esa evidenca que ves qué dice, eso es lo que va a enseñar si eres culpable."

I transcribed this from a video recording, so I may have mixed up que & qué if I am misunderstanding what the speaker is actually saying.

I don't even know how to correctly construct this in English, but he is trying to say, "The evidence that you (can) see what it says, that is what is going to show if you're guilty." He is referring to written evidence that he has just shown the addressee.

It seems to me that if he is going to say it that way in Spanish, he would have to say, "Esa evidencia a que ves qué dice, ...," or "a la que/cual ves".

Or possibly, "Esa evidencia, la que ves qué dice, ..."

Somebody please clear this up, and don't forget to give an English equivalent of what he actually says, if you can.

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updated Jul 12, 2009
posted by hhmdirocco

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If I have understood you correctly, you are looking for a "broken English" version that (somehow) reflects/conveys the "brokenness" of the Spanish, rather than a "cleaned-up" version (in either English or Spanish).

'Esa evidenca que ves qué dice, eso es lo que va a enseñar si eres culpable.?

That evidence that you see (that you're looking at) that says, that's what's going to show if you're guilty."

Yes, that's what I have to come up with. Thanks, samdie; that's pretty much what I made of it, with two exceptions:

"That evidence that you see that says ... ''" says what? It leaves that open-ended.

He sees what the evidence says; it was just shown to him. That's why I gave the second qué an accent ... "you see what it says." See my original post as to how I struggle to make this construction less awkward and keep the meaning. I don't know if it is possible.

Also, I need to come up with something that shows how awkward "enseñar" sounds here.

updated Jul 12, 2009
posted by hhmdirocco
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If I have understood you correctly, you are looking for a "broken English" version that (somehow) reflects/conveys the "brokenness" of the Spanish, rather than a "cleaned-up" version (in either English or Spanish).

'Esa evidenca que ves qué dice, eso es lo que va a enseñar si eres culpable.?

That evidence that you see (that you're looking at) that says, that's what's going to show if you're guilty."

updated Jul 12, 2009
posted by samdie
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Sorry, hhmdirocco, but every attempt at making sense of that sentence using colloquial interpretations was a failure. I think I need to hear the original recording to help me judge the intention of the speaker, but so far it sounds like he/she can't speak standard Spanish. For God's sake, ¿"enseñar si eres culpable"? I had to translate this sentence from Spanish to English (show whether you are guilty), and then from English into Spanish (probar si eres culpable) to make sense out of it. I wonder whether more of this double translating will be helpful to understand the original "SPANISH sentence".

Whew, I'm glad I'm not the only one that has a hard time making heads or tails of this guy's "Spanish." As I said in another post, my job is to give an equivalent in English of what this guy's Spanish statements/questions sound like to a native Spanish speaker, while retaining any real meaning that is acutally there. Do you think you could take a stab at this one?

'Esa evidenca que ves qué dice, eso es lo que va a enseñar si eres culpable.?

To me, this could be from a court case and it sounds like the prosecution council is taunting the accused that he will shortly be proven guilty.

"This evidence that is before you is clearly showing that you are guilty". I also think the si should be sí. Like you hhm, I had difficulty making sense of it and this is just a guess.

updated Jul 12, 2009
posted by Eddy
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Sorry, hhmdirocco, but every attempt at making sense of that sentence using colloquial interpretations was a failure. I think I need to hear the original recording to help me judge the intention of the speaker, but so far it sounds like he/she can't speak standard Spanish. For God's sake, ¿"enseñar si eres culpable"? I had to translate this sentence from Spanish to English (show whether you are guilty), and then from English into Spanish (probar si eres culpable) to make sense out of it. I wonder whether more of this double translating will be helpful to understand the original "SPANISH sentence".

Whew, I'm glad I'm not the only one that has a hard time making heads or tails of this guy's "Spanish." As I said in another post, my job is to give an equivalent in English of what this guy's Spanish statements/questions sound like to a native Spanish speaker, while retaining any real meaning that is acutally there. Do you think you could take a stab at this one'

updated Jul 11, 2009
posted by hhmdirocco
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Sorry, hhmdirocco, but every attempt at making sense of that sentence using colloquial interpretations was a failure. I think I need to hear the original recording to help me judge the intention of the speaker, but so far it sounds like he/she can't speak standard Spanish. For God's sake, ¿"enseñar si eres culpable"? I had to translate this sentence from Spanish to English (show whether you are guilty), and then from English into Spanish (probar si eres culpable) to make sense out of it. I wonder whether more of this double translating will be helpful to understand the original "SPANISH sentence".

updated Jul 11, 2009
posted by lazarus1907