se leía, se cree
Yes, it is another question about se. Why is se in these sentences from La Sombra del Viento? (I understand what the sentences mean, but I would like clarification about the use of se.)
Se llamaba Nuria, y me parece que ella era la única persona en la editorial, y probablemente en toda Barcelona, que se leía las novelas de Carax . . .
--Parece que la conozca usted muy bien.
Isaac blandió su sonrisa de diablillo cojuelo.
--Más de lo que ella se cree. Es mi hija.
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He accidentally typed a message that said "a" (I saw it). Then couldn't delete it. Who keeps changing the settings? I hope they are fixing something, for real . . .
James Santiago said:
lazarus1907 said:
Where is the Delete button for messages?
Someone must be playing with the forum settings again. But I hope you're not going to delete your message here.
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I take it back. Where did it go''''''''?
Natasha said:
What kind of messages? If you mean for a response to a post, there should be a little "x" next to your own posts.
lazarus1907 said:
Where is the Delete button for messages?
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lazarus1907 said:
Where is the Delete button for messages?
Someone must be playing with the forum settings again. But I hope you're not going to delete your message here.
What kind of messages? If you mean for a response to a post, there should be a little "x" next to your own posts.
lazarus1907 said:
Where is the Delete button for messages?
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Where is the Delete button for messages'
Ha ha. That sounds funny but I bet I remember it. Thanks!
James Santiago said:
Natasha, one way I like to think of this use of se is that it is similar to adding "up" to verbs in English.He ate the pie.He ate up the pie.They drank the wine.They drank up the wine.Of course, we don't usually use "up" with "to read," but if we did, it would be something like "She was the only one who read up the novels of Carax."
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Entonces . . . nunca voy a leerme este libro de Ruiz Zafón, es muy largo.
¡Muchas gracias, Heidita y Lazarus!!
Natasha, one way I like to think of this use of se is that it is similar to adding "up" to verbs in English.
He ate the pie.
He ate up the pie.
They drank the wine.
They drank up the wine.
Of course, we don't usually use "up" with "to read," but if we did, it would be something like "She was the only one who read up the novels of Carax."
Those "se" is what grammars call a dative. Removing them has no critical impact on the sentences, but in the first case, its presence indicates that the act of reading is complete, normally involving a conscious effort or dedication, like in "comerse". In "creer" is the same, but this dative is used mostly when someone believes something completely, without questioning it (like in your example), or in a naive manner. When it refers to oneself, it is colloquial, and it means "to believe oneself to have a special quality or status", as in "¿Quién se ha creído que es'".
"Anoche leí un libro" doesn not necessarily mean that you finished the whole book, but "Anoche me leí un libro" means that you finished every single page of it. "Creí lo que me dijo" could possibly go along with a certain degree of mental reservation, but "Me creí lo que me dijo" means that you don't doubt a single word of what the other person said; often used to talk about how fool you were for believing the whole thing so readily.
Ah, if you used these datives, the direct object must be a very specific thing, for it has to be completely "absorbed". They are also used with "beber", "andar", "fumar",...
So could we say: she was the only one who bothered to read them?
Heidita said:
creerse: pronominal:
creerse: pronominal:
