este,esta and esto

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i keep getting confused,
-esta (f)
-esto (m)
could be used to refer to human or an object

-este is only used to refer to OBJECTS

my questions are:
1-is what i mentioned above true?
2-can we use ESTE to refer to a boy or girl? (este chika........) OR that will be kind of rude?
3-to refer to objects, when do we use ESTE? because i know sometimes we can use ESTA and ESTO (if that object is (m) or (f))'

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updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by PUNISHER

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Are you trying to objectify men? Now I won't feel so guilty about objectifying women.

Heidita said:

Yes, este can refer to men or objects.

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updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by 0074b507
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Well to be honest in my example I forgot to include it ....and I was looking for excuses. Normally I take the complete information approach. wink

látigo said:

You are absolutely correct that if the noun is obvious, there is not need to have the tilde but textbooks are really slow to change and even teaching for the "Advanced placement test(AP)" the tilde is taught. What do we do, right?

tad said:

látigo said:

Now we are talking about demonstrative pronouns, not adjectives. Most of the time they have accents on the stressed vowel:1) éste, éstos,ésta,éstas replace the noun.Example already stated :" ¿A quién se lo digo? ¿A éste o aquél? Note: these forms now act as pronouns so you can not write "éste hombre" but must write "este hombre".2) "ésto" never can be written with the tilde since it is neuter and is not replacing a noun.

tad said:

Gosh that's the trouble with sharing my very limited knowledge with people, I never think it through.James is correct in describing my thinking.Heidita with (2) I thought he was asking 'can you say este chica' ...which you can't..and that bit at the end (...and also este and esta can refer to people in some circumstances) I meant that you can use este for a male (in English you would have to say 'this one' not just 'this' -that's the point I was making there)Of course you can say 'este hombre'.

That's right, although I think nowadays if the context is clear the accent is not obligatory with demonstrative pronouns (')

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updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by tad
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You are absolutely correct that if the noun is obvious, there is no need to have the tilde but textbooks are really slow to change and even teaching for the "Advanced placement test(AP)" the tilde is taught. What do we do, right?

tad said:

látigo said:

Now we are talking about demonstrative pronouns, not adjectives. Most of the time they have accents on the stressed vowel:1) éste, éstos,ésta,éstas replace the noun.Example already stated :" ¿A quién se lo digo? ¿A éste o aquél? Note: these forms now act as pronouns so you can not write "éste hombre" but must write "este hombre".2) "ésto" never can be written with the tilde since it is neuter and is not replacing a noun.

tad said:

Gosh that's the trouble with sharing my very limited knowledge with people, I never think it through.James is correct in describing my thinking.Heidita with (2) I thought he was asking 'can you say este chica' ...which you can't..and that bit at the end (...and also este and esta can refer to people in some circumstances) I meant that you can use este for a male (in English you would have to say 'this one' not just 'this' -that's the point I was making there)Of course you can say 'este hombre'.

That's right, although I think nowadays if the context is clear the accent is not obligatory with demonstrative pronouns (')

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updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by ltigo
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látigo said:

Now we are talking about demonstrative pronouns, not adjectives. Most of the time they have accents on the stressed vowel: 1) éste, éstos,ésta,éstas replace the noun.

Example already stated :" ¿A quién se lo digo? ¿A éste o aquél? Note: these forms now act as pronouns so you can not write "éste hombre" but must write "este hombre".

2) "ésto" never can be written with the tilde since it is neuter and is not replacing a noun.

tad said:

Gosh that's the trouble with sharing my very limited knowledge with people, I never think it through.James is correct in describing my thinking.Heidita with (2) I thought he was asking 'can you say este chica' ...which you can't..and that bit at the end (...and also este and esta can refer to people in some circumstances) I meant that you can use este for a male (in English you would have to say 'this one' not just 'this' -that's the point I was making there)Of course you can say 'este hombre'.

That's right, although I think nowadays if the context is clear the accent is not obligatory with demonstrative pronouns (')

updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by tad
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Now we are talking about demonstrative pronouns, not adjectives. Most of the time they have accents on the stressed vowel:
1) éste, éstos,ésta,éstas replace the noun.
Example already stated :" ¿A quién se lo digo? ¿A éste o aquél? Note: these forms now act as pronouns so you can not write "éste hombre" but must write "este hombre".
2) "ésto" never can be written with the tilde since it is neuter and is not replacing a noun.

tad said:

Gosh that's the trouble with sharing my very limited knowledge with people, I never think it through.James is correct in describing my thinking.Heidita with (2) I thought he was asking 'can you say este chica' ...which you can't..and that bit at the end (...and also este and esta can refer to people in some circumstances) I meant that you can use este for a male (in English you would have to say 'this one' not just 'this' -that's the point I was making there)Of course you can say 'este hombre'.

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updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by ltigo
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Gosh that's the trouble with sharing my very limited knowledge with people, I never think it through.

James is correct in describing my thinking.
Heidita with (2) I thought he was asking 'can you say este chica' ...which you can't

..and that bit at the end (...and also este and esta can refer to people in some circumstances) I meant that you can use este for a male (in English you would have to say 'this one' not just 'this' -that's the point I was making there)
Of course you can say 'este hombre'.

updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by tad
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Just to add to Tad's info- These are called demonstrative adjectives and precede nouns.
Singular/masc: Este(this) hombre, este libro, etc.
Plural/ masc: Estos (these) hombres, estos libros (note: never try to use "estes" as the plural, a common, logical trap.)
Singular/fem: Esta chica, esta cosita, etc
Plural/fem: Estas chicas, estas cositas, etc
Esto (this)- a neuter form (has no gender nor number agreement) Used to describe a happening or occurence: The kids are making a lot of noise and you say -¿Qué es esto'- LIke "What's this'" "What's going on here'"

updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by ltigo
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2-can we use ESTE to refer to a boy or girl? (este chika........) OR that will be kind of rude'

Yes, este can refer to men or objects.

Díselo a este. (tell that guy) Coje este. (take this one)

This may be considered rude (for men) but is used frequently. Also used this way:

Who shall I tell, this man or that man? Tell this one.

¿A quién se lo digo? A este o a aquél hombre? Díselo a este.

updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by 00494d19
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PUNISHER said:

thanx for the reply tad, but i heared that (este hombre....) could be correct. thas means its not used only for masculine OBJECTS.

Tad is referring to grammatical objects, not physical objects. People can be grammatical objects just like anything else.

updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by 00bacfba
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thanx for the reply tad, but i heared that (este hombre....) could be correct. thas means its not used only for masculine OBJECTS.

updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by PUNISHER
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1 no
2 no
3 este refers to masculine objects
esta refers to feminine objects
esto refers to unknown (in terms of gender)objects or concepts that have no gender.

...and also este and esta can refer to people in some circumstances

updated OCT 30, 2008
posted by tad