Las palabras: "Quien" con "son"

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Hola,

Tengo una pregunta...

La frase en ingles:
I know many people who are Spanish.

La frase en espanol:
Conozco muchas personas quien son espanoles.

No estoy seguro sobre el uso de "son", porque pienso que quiere decir:
I know many people who they are Spanish.

Gracias por su ayuda,
Martyn

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updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by Martyn

17 Answers

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Gus said:

personas is neuter, not male or female

The gender of "personas" is femenine, but it is applied to both sexes. There is no neuter gender in Spanish.

James Santiago said:

personas is neuter, not male or female Persona is definitely a feminine noun. There are neuter nouns in Spanish, such as modelo and taxista, but persona is not one of them.

Taxista and modelo are not neuter, technically speaking, but invariant with respect to sex. This is a matter of nomenclature only, of course.

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by lazarus1907
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personas is neuter, not male or female

Gus, don't make me take you back out to the woodshed. {wink}

Persona is definitely a feminine noun. There are neuter nouns in Spanish, such as modelo and taxista, but persona is not one of them.

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by 00bacfba
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Gus said:

personas is neuter, not male or female

LadyDi said:

Perhaps you're right about the use of the personal 'a'. I still think since "personas" is feminine plural so would have to be the adjective modifying it: "españolas".

It can refer to either sex, but the dictionary says it's a feminine noun. Hence Lady Di's point.

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by Natasha
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personas is neuter, not male or female

LadyDi said:

Perhaps you're right about the use of the personal 'a'. I still think since "personas" is feminine plural so would have to be the adjective modifying it: "españolas".

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updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by 00769608
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lazarus1907 said:

samdie said:

Conozco a muchas personas que son españoles.

Better: "españolas", since you are talking about "personas" (¡Y luego dicen que el español es sexista!)

Obviously it's feminist, not male chauvinist.

JUST KIDDING! DON'T ANYONE SHOOT ME!

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by Natasha
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samdie said:

Conozco a muchas personas que son españoles.

Better: "españolas", since you are talking about "personas" (¡Y luego dicen que el español es sexista!)

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by lazarus1907
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I sorry too, about the "españoles". I know better but my attention was focused on adding the "a" and changing the "quien" to "que". If the title of the topic is meant to reflect an exercise to create a sentence with "quien" and "son", then you're going to have to start over because in the pattern that you've chosen there's no easy way to work in a "quien".

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by samdie
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James Santiago said:

Now I'm confused. If personas españolas is correct, then why would the use of que change anything? que is an identifier, but the adjective is still describing the same noun.

Actually, I think you have a point there. I just googled "personas que son," and every hit has a feminine adjective. Therefore, españolas would be correct even after the "que son."

Please consider my previous statement withdrawn.

OK, and after a trip to the dictionary I concede the point about españolas.

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by Natasha
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Now I'm confused. If personas españolas is correct, then why would the use of que change anything? que is an identifier, but the adjective is still describing the same noun.

Actually, I think you have a point there. I just googled "personas que son," and every hit has a feminine adjective. Therefore, españolas would be correct even after the "que son."

Please consider my previous statement withdrawn.

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by 00bacfba
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James Santiago said:

LadyDi said:

Wait, I'm confused. Is the "a" necessary after the verb "conocer" in this case? Also, if you're referring to "muchas personas", wouldn't the adjective have to correlate as in "muchas personas que son españolas?

I googled with and without the A in "conocer a muchas personas," and both seem to be in use. Lazarus, are you there?

As for the gender agreement, I believe the interposition of the "que" separates the noun personas from españoles, so the latter does not have to agree in gender. If, however, we said "conocer a muchas personas españolas (although it's an odd phrase), there would have to be agreement because now españolas is directly modifying personas.

Now I'm confused. If personas españolas is correct, then why would the use of que change anything? que is an identifier, but the adjective is still describing the same noun.

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by Natasha
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Perhaps you're right about the use of the personal 'a'. I still think since "personas" is feminine plural so would have to be the adjective modifying it: "españolas".

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by LadyDi
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LadyDi said:

Wait, I'm confused. Is the "a" necessary after the verb "conocer" in this case? Also, if you're referring to "muchas personas", wouldn't the adjective have to correlate as in "muchas personas que son españolas?

  1. Yes, it is customary to include the personal a after conocer.
  2. The adjective (singular) is español, so when it is made plural, it takes the -es ending. españoles is correct.
updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by Natasha
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Gracias por sus respuestas,
Martyn.

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by Martyn
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Wait, I'm confused. Is the "a" necessary after the verb "conocer" in this case? Also, if you're referring to "muchas personas", wouldn't the adjective have to correlate as in "muchas personas que son españolas'

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by LadyDi
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Conozco a muchas personas que son españoles.

updated SEP 23, 2008
posted by samdie