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I need to know how to use these words

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updated Sep 25, 2008
posted by Chatchaquaa

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Shelly said:

Well, if your wondering why people call "ser" PERMANENT, and why people call "estar" IMPERMANENT, it's because you use these to describe and talk about people, things, ect. So when you want to describe or talk about something that doesn't change use "ser" and when talking about temperary things, use "estar"

I am one of those teachers samdie was talking about. I could give you endless examples where I could use "ser" to describe things which will change (even within seconds!), if I wanted, and countless examples of "estar" with things that will remain the way they are forever. The so-called rule just makes students confused as soon as they start getting one exception after another, and they start getting lots of sentences wrong. The usual questions that you get in books and tutorials are designed to work perfectly with the "temporary/permanent" rule, but in real situation, there are infinite examples where it just doesn't work... because the rule is not true.

updated Sep 25, 2008
posted by lazarus1907
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Shelly said: Those are all the forms of verb "Estar" Estar is the spanish translation for "To be" (impermanent)
There is another translation for "to be" it is "ser" (permanent)

There are many teachers/students of Spanish who think that the permanent/temporary distinction is not a good way to think of the distinction. The most common counter-example being "esta muerto" (the quintessential permanent condition). And, no, this is not a reflection of the Christian doctrine of the 2nd coming. In fact, you'll notice that the ser/estar discussion at the site for which you provided a link refers to a distinction between condition and essence. If you search this forum for ser/estar, you'll find many threads and many "exceptions" to the temporary/permanent theory.

P.S. "girl" is not a gender. The names of the genders in English are male/female/neuter. It's true that being female is a permanent condition (for you) but being a "girl" is not permanent; eventually you will be a woman (still female but no longer a girl). There are a number of pairs of words in English (almost all for describing people/animals) that come in male/female pairs: uncle/aunt, father/mother, bull/cow, ram/ewe, boar/sow, etc.

updated Sep 25, 2008
posted by samdie
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well, Lazarus basically told you the forms of the word, let me explain it in greater detail.

Those are all the forms of verb "Estar" Estar is the spanish translation for "To be" (impermanent)
There is another translation for "to be" it is "ser" (permanent)
both are for saying He is, she is, it is, ect. here is a table of the conjugations for the impermanent form of "to be", "Estar".

conjugations (forms) of Estar.

Yo (I) = estoy
Tú ("You" ~informal~) = estás
él (he), Ella (she), Usted ("You" ~formal~) = está
Nosotros (we) = estamos
vosotros (This form is mostly used in spain, not latin america.) = estáis
Ellos (They ~masculine~), Ellas (They ~feminine~), Ustedes (I think this means "you guys") = están

Here is the different conjugations (forms) of the verb "ser" ( ser = to be (permanent) )

Yo (I) = soy
Tú ("You" ~informal~) = eres
él (he), Ella (she), Usted ("You" ~formal~) = es
Nosotros (we) = somos
vosotros (This form is mostly used in spain, not latin america.) = sois
Ellos (They ~masculine~), Ellas (They ~feminine~), Ustedes (I think this means "you guys") = son

those are the different forms of the verb " to be"

Well, if your wondering why people call "ser" PERMANENT, and why people call "estar" IMPERMANENT, it's because you use these to describe and talk about people, things, ect. So when you want to describe or talk about something that doesn't change use "ser" and when talking about temperary things, use "estar"

example: Yo soy una muchacha = I am a girl. notice that I use the "soy" ( I, or I am) form of "ser". the reson I said a "ser" form instead of a "estar" form is because the sentence is describing "I am a girl" and the word "girl" is a gender, and a gender doesn't change, therefore, it is PERMANENT. meaning you need to use the PERMANENT form of "to be" which is "Ser".

another example: Ella ésta triste= She is sad. I used the "Ella (she)" form of estar, because "She" cannot stay sad forever can she? No. So it is IMPERMANENT ( meaning temporary ). so, use the IMPERMANENT form of "to be" which is "Estar".

There are a few exceptions to these rules, to help you out more, here is a link to a website that helped me while I was learning "ser and estar".

http://studyspanish.com/lessons/serest1.htm

p.s. I couldn't really learn the different conjugations ( forms) of "ser and estar" until I got a game for my nintendo DS called " My spanish coach" it helps alot, and tells you of other conjugations, such as "to buy, to like, to speak, ect. they also make the game for nintendo wii, so if you can, I would buy a copy of "my spanish coach" if you think it would help you out. but then again, I'm only 12 so I wouldn't know if you wanted to play a video game to help you learn spanish, I know it helps me though. I've been teaching myself spanish for like 2 years already, so if your just beginning, I would start out with simple phrases, and learning the difference between masculine and feminine words. trust me, you don't want to dive into the deep end before learning the basics.

p.p.s. there is a page on this website for a bunch of different conjugations.

p.p.p.s. ¡Buena suerte! (Good luck)

updated Sep 25, 2008
posted by Shelly
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Thank you for this reply. I have another question. How would you use these in a sentence? I am very confused.

updated Sep 25, 2008
posted by Chatchaquaa
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esta = this
está = he/she is
estoy = I am
estas = these (feminine ones)
estás = you are

I guess your "esta" and "estas" were meant to be written as "está" and "estás".

updated Sep 24, 2008
posted by lazarus1907