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Javier Elzo utliza esta palabra en un de sus estudios sobre jóvenes españoles. Hasta el momento, no he podido traducir bien la palabra al inglés. ¿Hay algunas sugerencias?

Gracias.

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updated Apr 8, 2011
posted by John-A-Macdonald

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I've heard that word in Argentina used in political disclaims referring to people who wants to sell the services companies managed by the goverment (railroads, energy. water, etc) to private investment groups. "El es un privatista. Quiere transformar los ferrocarriles en una empresa privada". I don't know if this is the case without some more context but it's a possibility.

updated Dec 13, 2010
posted by 00e657d4
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Or maybe "private" as in "he is a very private person"... introverted. Just an idea from reading James's definitions of the categories.

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by Valerie
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Este es excelente, James. Y hasta que haya un autóctono que puede explicar exactamente lo que es el sentido de la palabra, tendremos que dejarlo. Gracias por tus esfuerzos.

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by John-A-Macdonald
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I still can't translate it, but here are the terms defined:

LIBERAL INTEGRADO. Es un colectivo formado por más del 25% de los jóvenes. Hay más chicas que chicos y son los que más confían en las organizaciones civiles. Salen de juerga por la noche pero se controlan. La mayoría tiene claro su proyecto en la vida.

MORALISTA PRIVATISTA. Son jóvenes relativamente conservadores y muy centrados en su propio entorno. Aceptan las instituciones por encima del resto de la media juvenil. Tienen un marcado carácter religioso y un grado de estudios inferior a la media.

RETRAÍDO. Es el menos numeroso de la categoría, no llega al 8% del total. Hay una gran presencia de chicos. Cuando salen por la noche, son los que más valoran el botellón y sobre todo, buscan sexo. Ideológicamente dispersos y pertenecientes a una clase media alta, no tienen un horizonte claro.

INSTITUCIONAL. Está formado por el 25 % de la población. No aceptan las novedades y son los más religiosos de todos. Son los que menos tiempo conceden a salir de noche y los que antes vuelven a casa. Están asentados socialmente y cómodos con las instituciones.

LIBREDISFRUTADOR. Son liberales y permisivos en casi todo. Pertenecen a una clase social elevada y con una gran presencia de estudiantes en sus filas. Una vez que se introduzcan en el mundo de la responsabilidad laboral, tienen todas las bazas para ser uno de los líderes más creativos del futuro.

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by 00bacfba
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Good search on the web, James. Gracias otra vez. You've found the context in a review of the work Elzo has done. It is exactly what I am working on now. He uses the five categories to describe five different typologies of youth that emerged from his survey work. I have seen the reference to privatization as well -- and in this context, it doesn't work. I am still thinking that the best understanding in English is related to some form of "privation."

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by John-A-Macdonald
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James
I know it has nothing to do with what you posted. I was concurring with Guillermo about his interpretation of the word. I saw this in RAE

privatista.
1. com. Persona que profesa el derecho privado, o tiene en él especiales conocimientos.

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by Eddy
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No, you guys are totally off the context here. Please read the sentence I posted.

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by 00bacfba
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This term would be "privatised" in England and as Guillermo has stated, it refers to the transfer of ownership from state to private enterprise.

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by Eddy
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This question is probably beyond my ken, but I still think that at least one full sentence would be immensely helpful to a native trying to answer you.

If I may:

En el trabajo de Elzo, asentado en datos de las últimas encuestas, Elzo divide a los jóvenes españoles en cinco grupos: liberal integrado, moralista privatista, retraído, institucional conservador, y libredisfrutador no institucional.

It would seem from the above that moralista privatista is a single label.

HTHAL

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by 00bacfba
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Gracias, James.

Elzo uses the word as a descriptive category for Spanish youth in surveys that were done in 2005. He seems to feel that sociologists would understand what he means when he uses the word. He does not define the use of the term -- nor does he use it in a helpful way in a written statement since it is used as a label paired up with "moralista." There could be the sense of "self-denial" as in the English "privation," or one who has a tendency to deny something to someone else.

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by John-A-Macdonald
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Give us one or more full sentences. It's very difficult to translate anything well without context.

updated Jul 9, 2008
posted by 00bacfba