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The struggles of being bilingual

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If you think learning Spanish is tough, take a look at this fun little video about the challenges of growing bilingual: Struggles of being bilingual

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updated Sep 1, 2017
posted by Gekkosan
wow - 006595c6, Aug 12, 2017
hey, I cant post an answer, this has not happened before. - 006595c6, Aug 12, 2017
I have seen coments that some people seem to be having trouble. It's been working ok for me so far… - Gekkosan, Aug 12, 2017
And for me as well. - rac1, Aug 12, 2017
Here is a badge for you Gekkosan :) - ian-hill, Aug 12, 2017
Nice video. Gekko - polenta1, Aug 12, 2017
Cute, bud. Have a vote :-) - Echoline, Aug 13, 2017

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My children are trilingual (English, Spanish, Mandarin Chinese) and I can see their struggles... but I also see their amazing improvements too. Yes, they make ocasional mistakes and they sometimes can't find the right word or structure, but their improvements are steady, and they get better and better by the week, quite often shocking you with their fluency and mastery of colloquialisms. Spanish people never speak slower when talking to my children, and Chinese people don't either... after they realise communication is reasonably fluent, so who cares how native-like they are? Both of them can fool a Spanish speaker or a Chinese speaker for a short while (eventually, something gives them away), and they both understand full speed natural native speech with slang.

I have never spoken to my children in any language other than Spanish, and both of them always speak to me in Spanish. They always speak to Chinese people in Chinese ALL the time, even if they try to speak to them in English.

I wish I had "struggled" like my children when I was their age!

updated Sep 1, 2017
edited by lazarus1907
posted by lazarus1907
Ahora, si algún día esos chicos llegan a dominar la gramática de los tres lenguajes de la manera en que tú dominas el español, ¡ahí sí que estaremos frente a una maravilla mundial! :-D - Gekkosan, Aug 13, 2017
¡Es un gran logro! :) - rac1, Aug 14, 2017
Vives en China? - polenta1, Aug 14, 2017
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My best friend in Bolivia is a German. He married a Bolivian about 16 years ago. She did not speak German and he did not speak Spanish, so they spoke English with each other and still do.

They have 3 children who learned Spanish with their friends and their mother and German at their first school and from their father.

Both parents encouraged them to learn English with them and at school - even when they were small they would visit me and practice their English.

I heard once when my friend scolded one of the boys in German when he was about 9; his mum asked him what his father had said, he said in English "You will have to learn German mum."

Another time my friend and his daughter were in a taxi in England and he was discussing something with her in German and she was answering in Spanish and when he couldn't understand her she switched to English.

They are all fully tri-lingual now and never ever regretted the effort they made.- It was always just fun to learn. It was great for me see it happen.

updated Sep 1, 2017
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
Ian, great post! :) - FELIZ77, Aug 12, 2017
Typo (word order): "they would visit me and "their practice English" I hope this helps :) - FELIZ77, Aug 12, 2017
Gracias Feliz :) - ian-hill, Aug 12, 2017
If they are in Bolivia, did they go to a Bolivian school or to a Deutsche Schule or American School? This could make a difference. Of course our society must be different from the Bolivian society. - polenta1, Aug 12, 2017
great stuff Ian cheers - patch, Aug 12, 2017
@Polenta - they went to a Deutsche Schule from the age of 4 to 6 then a Special Bolivian school that taught the arts (music dance & theatre & literature) for 50% of the time. - ian-hill, Aug 13, 2017
If all the other kids spoke Spanish naturally at the music Bolivian school, their Spanish might be excellent. In my country it worked and works like this. - polenta1, Aug 14, 2017
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Not a problem I have, but I do sometimes come up with the French word instead of the Spanish despite being a native English speaker and having learned French eons/ donkey years ago. I remember saying mercredi instead of miércoles only last month. I suppose I ought to be grateful I got the right word but wrong language!

I enjoyed the video I hadn't thought of the problems. Growing up bilingual friends could only speak their second language at home ( I had friends with a Greek/ Polish or Spanish mother) these languages were not widely available outside the home. If they had lived in London there were areas of the city where people from different countries chose to live near each other.

Thanks for posting.

updated Sep 1, 2017
edited by Mardle
posted by Mardle
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We are bilingual, gekko, you are "more" bilingual than I am, but anyway wink

It takes a lot of work, a lot of sacrifice, pronunciation practice, you want to sound like a native speaker...very hard and it takes time.

don't expect to be "bilingual" in a month...like those who say "learn English/Spanish/German in a month". Don't believe that crap, it simply doesn't work.

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updated Sep 1, 2017
posted by 006595c6
oh well, it was the picture, no it is fixed. - 006595c6, Aug 12, 2017
¡Bien dicho, Heidita! :) - FELIZ77, Aug 12, 2017
I don't consider being bilingual although I've been surrounded by English for decades and decades. and in my country there could be very few bilingual people. I call bilingual those people who speaking and writing a language are not considered foreign by - polenta1, Aug 12, 2017
native speakers of the language. Lo único que aspiro es comunicarme en inglés de manera "digna" y comunicarme. En serio - polenta1, Aug 12, 2017
Un mes? Bueno porqué no un día. Me sumerjo en "ingleslandia", me doy un baño de inglés y salgo sabiendo todo. Esto es engañar a la gente! - polenta1, Aug 12, 2017
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I think they are not really bilingual Spanish is a language they understand very well but they don't know it as well. They are like very , very advanced Spanish students probably.
Am I wrong or all except one of the girls speak American English very well?
Has anyone heard the presenter of the TV program "El Palenque". Would you say he is really bilingual?
In an open society like the one they live in, it's very hard not to succumb to being a good English speaker especially if they have gone to school and high school etc in the US.

Here when I was a kid there were many European immigrants. Most kids understood their parents mother tongue and could speak a little but their Spanish was far better, absolutely like a native Spanish native speaker.

updated Sep 1, 2017
posted by polenta1
Tricky issue. It all depends on what you mean by "bilingual". If it comes to that, it could be also argued that what many native speakers ( English or Spanish) speak is far from the most correct version of the language... - Gekkosan, Aug 12, 2017
… should they, therefore, not be considered "native speakers"? - Gekkosan, Aug 12, 2017
Very true, Gekko. Your ability to speak your native language/mother tongue really gets tested when you go to university because you have to be able to communicate both orally and in a written form to a very high standard. The extent to whch your work is - FELIZ77, Aug 12, 2017
then corrected (ie: the frequency with which corrections are made ) will give you an fairly accurate idea of your proficiency in your mother tongue . Thankfully, most of the occasional corrections I received were related to the course content rather than - FELIZ77, Aug 12, 2017
my abilty to express my ideas coherently in a fluent style! - FELIZ77, Aug 12, 2017
I have watched people speaking in Puerto Rico, and in Florida, who carry lively conversations where English and Spanish are seamlessly mixed in, at roughly a 50-50 ratio. It's bewildering to hear. - Gekkosan, Aug 13, 2017
It must be bewildering. I don't confuse native speaker with correct speaker. It seems our experience makes us see things in a possibly different way. - polenta1, Aug 13, 2017
For example, kids whose parents came to our country from Spain never speak peninsular Spanish. They speak our variation. Of course we are a highly monolingual country. - polenta1, Aug 13, 2017
I know I could be mistaken for an American for about one or two sentences. Later something will give me away .lol - polenta1, Aug 13, 2017
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Learning to be (or becoming) billingual is certainly a process, not to mention a challenge, and it is true that nothing worth learning in life ever comes easy! ; ) It takes hard work, loads of practice, persevence when times get tough, and a willingness to learn from your mistakes, and boy do I know about that, I have made loads of them since I started learning Spanish (not to mention the ones I have made in French and other languages over the years!)

The fastest way to make progress of course is to live among the natives, as I am sure that the best research has proven time and again that immersion is the most effective way to learn a language! However, for many people like myself financial and time constraints make that impractical, so we just have to do the best that we can and make the most effective use of the resources available to us!

The outrageous and unjustified claims that some companies make in suggesting that you (any person) can learn to become fluent in a language in just a matter of weeks, or achieve a very level of competency in speaking it are wildly exaggerated and simply not true, as Heidi rightly says!

From what I have heard and understand to be true, it takes/would take most people somewhere between 1 and 3 years to reach (ie: achieve) a very effective level of competency or proficiency in Spanish (C2 or at least C1) while living among Spanish-speaking natives in a fully immersive environment! I am open to correction of course, as this is just an estimate and everyone is different! A person with a real gift for learning languages could probably reach an extremely high level of competency in a much shorter time within 1 year to 18 months or even less, if that individual were able to learn very quickly!

It just shows that the best time to learn a language is usually when you are a child as children can generally absorb new information like a sponge,much faster than adults, and just naturally imitate the language of their parents and others with whom they relate and communicate on a daily basis! They make it seem so easy! (If only ....! ) Lol Very young preschool children under 5 don't normally consult grammar books lol or take time to learn conjugations by heart; they just practise what they know because they usually enjoy making friends and communicating....Perhaps we could learn something from them!

The way we approach learning a new language as adults is considerably different from a child ...perhaps we make it harder on ourselves?!

I really enjoyed watching the video ...it was informative and insightful in a funny way that helped me to gain a slightly better understanding of the problems/challenges facing truly billingual people! It was very short so there was a limit to how useful it could be, but I'm glad that I watched it!

Thank you very much for posting it, Gekko! ; )

updated Sep 1, 2017
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
Yes, the younger you are to begin a new language, the better. Real bilingual people are exceptional in my opinion. - polenta1, Aug 12, 2017
Thank you for your comment, Polenta I am convinced that having a musical ear also helps you to hear distinctions in the sounds between words I play the piano by ear as I think I mentioned before and I find it hekps me when learning languages :) - FELIZ77, Aug 12, 2017
I agree with that of having a good ear or musicianship. Yes. - polenta1, Aug 13, 2017
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Becoming bi-lingual was not a big deal for me, as it really isn't a big deal for Latino kids born into a bilingual culture. I was bi-lingual when I arrived. My two languages were Spanish and French. My mother is Québequoise, and my dad Spanish.

After arriving in this country, I started my English learning by mixing with Mexican-American kids in the 4th grade. I thought the Spanglish that they spoke was sort of cute, but then I started listing to the Gringo kids who I thought would teach me the real thing. I more or less "inhaled" the English language, proper Valley girl accent and all. I listened really hard to my teachers and took lots of notes. In about a year I had caught up with my English speaking peers.

As I did not have a Spanish surname, (My dad has a Hebrew family name), most people assumed that I was a Gringa, and were quite surprised when I could give good answers, with an authentic accent in my high school Spanish classes.

In college I continued and pursued a degree with a Major in Spanish and a double minor in French and English. I have even taught English at the high school and college level.

Unfortunately my French has decayed. What you don't use you lose. I still have the pronunciation, but my vocabulary and grammar are sadly lacking.

updated Sep 1, 2017
edited by Daniela2041
posted by Daniela2041
Wow Danilela that is impressive. - ray76, Aug 14, 2017
You must have been about 9 years old when you arrived in US. Ideal age. - polenta1, Aug 14, 2017
A questjion, when you think.... what language do you use? Or when you dream..... - polenta1, Aug 14, 2017
and when you count or you insult or say dirty words. - polenta1, Aug 14, 2017
Jejeje. I am surrounded by Spanglish so that's usually what is going on in my head. I do know both proper Spanish and English. - Daniela2041, Sep 1, 2017