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In this question I have to find which sentence that is an example of the Los Pasiva. I am really confused please help me!! I think the answer is D but I am not sure.

a. Fuimos a Europa b. Europa tiene una historia de muchos conflictos. c. La Unión Europea estuvo formado. d. Europa es un continente con mucha historia.

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updated Sep 1, 2017
posted by Alisha7472
welcome to the forum, :) - 006595c6, Aug 9, 2017

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Alisha:

Ser passive is formed by using a conjugated form of ser followed by a past participle of the verb that describes what is happening or happened in the past.

C. La Unión Europea estuvo formado

The above sentence is close to this structure, but is using the verb estuvo (from estar) I believe the verb should be fue (third person preterite of ser) in order for it to be true passive voice. Nevertheless, since you already took a guess, I will tell you that C. is the answer you are looking for. (not 100% correct, but much better than the others)

None of the other sentences come anywhere close to being passive voice.

Some people confuse estar with ser and say that both can be used in the passive voice. It is not technically correct to call a sentence with estar + past participle passive voice.

With estar it just means that "it was formed"...it is like using formado as an adjective but referring to a time in the past that it was in this condition. It isn't using the passive voice to restate a previously active sentence... 10 countries formed the UE in XXXX.

The true ser passive would say the "it was formed" meaning that at some time in the past someone or some countries did the work to form the European Union. (but the passive voice doesn't have to mention who did it.)

I hope this helps. It is always a little annoying when the materials that you are studying have errors. But, hey, nobody is perfect.

Here is an example of a sentence which would use estaba (estar) in Spanish. "Formed" is acting as an adjective, referring to the status of the UE in the past.

The UE was already formed when the Soviet Union collapsed. (it was already in existence...formed is acting as an adjective to describe the status of the UE at that time)

Here is an example of a true passive sentence which would use fue (ser):

The UE was formed seven years prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

This sentence focuses on the action of forming the UE seven years prior.

The active version of this sentence is:

The member states of the UE formed the union seven years prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The above examples are not meant to be historically accurate, they are only sample sentences to show the difference between estar, ser passive and active voice.

updated Sep 1, 2017
edited by DilKen
posted by DilKen
Thank you so much! - Alisha7472, Aug 9, 2017
There is in fact a long discussion on wordreference French Spanish section about estar formado. - Mardle, Aug 9, 2017
/"Formada" - Gekkosan, Aug 9, 2017
Gekko, you're right. I was merely repeating the student's language. It appears there a several problems with it. :) - DilKen, Aug 9, 2017
The Treaty of Rome in 1957 led to the formation of the European Community in 1958. The Maastricht Treaty in 1992 led the formation of the European Union in 1993. - NKM1974, Aug 9, 2017
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Spanish has two ways to form the passive voice: using "se" (e.g. se formó) or "ser + participio" (e.g. fue formado). Many grammars don't consider "estar + participio" a true passive construction, but a periphrasis, even though it expresses a similar idea. While "ser + participio" expresses both the action and the outcome, and it can take an optional actor (fue formado por una comisión), "estar + participio" only expresses the outcome, and it can't take an optional actor.

updated Sep 1, 2017
posted by lazarus1907
Thanks - as I noted above, probably the same exercise there was a iscussion on the sentence in the French Spanish section of WR [mainly in Spanish] - Mardle, Aug 9, 2017
Lazarus: You mention adding the optional actor/agent with ser passive and I'm familiar with that. I have read in several grammar books / website that the agent should Not be mentioned with se passive. Do you agree? If it is prohibited, do you know why? - DilKen, Aug 9, 2017
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Wow, this is an odd question. I guess you are doing this at school? Maybe online?

Welcome to the forum, amigo, but I am sorry to say that there is no passive voice in the group.

Hi, I know what the passive voice means and I watched videos and read the article you sent before. This is a multiple choice question that my teacher gave me. I couldn't find any example of the passive voice in this example. That is why I asked here. - Alisha7472

You did well in asking, alisha, and you were right, no passive sentence here, good job! Your teacher has made a mistake.

One possibility could be , what ken said.

La Unión Europea fue formada.

However, even that sentence would look add, passive, but sort of without a proper ending.

la Unión Europea fue formada en el año 2000 (for example).

That would be a proper sentence.

updated Sep 1, 2017
posted by 006595c6
Heidi: Exactly...ignoring the erroneous use of estar instead of ser for a moment, C is really just a sentence fragment and should be finished off with the agent, a date, or some type of adverbial clause. (in difficult times, for example) - DilKen, Aug 9, 2017
Thanks for clarifying what the proper sentence would be, it helped me understand more. - Alisha7472, Aug 9, 2017
The Treaty of Rome in 1957 led to the formation of the European Community in 1958. The Maastricht Treaty in 1992 led the formation of the European Union in 1993. - NKM1974, Aug 9, 2017
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Welcome to the forum. Do you have a teacher, if so you should ask them to explain the passive voice again.

The answer is not D.

Do you know what the term passive voice means? Sometimes it is used in third person with the use of se. A bit like the use in English of One does this/that.

However,you do not have any examples of that construction.

Here is a link on this site as to what it involves read it and you should be able to get it easily. If you are still puzzled ask another question/edit your question.

I am not trying to be a spoil sport it is better for you to treat it as a chance to revise.

Passive versus Active voice

I remember when first learning about passive voice that we would say I've lost my keys but the Spanish prefer to shift blame and say the keys have been lost!

updated Sep 1, 2017
posted by Mardle
Hi, I know what the passive voice means and I watched videos and read the article you sent before. This is a multiple choice question that my teacher gave me. I couldn't find any example of the passive voice in this example. That is why I asked here. - Alisha7472, Aug 9, 2017
OK I won't delete my answer, but I may have mislead you. Wait for a native speaker to answer. - Mardle, Aug 9, 2017
Mardle: In your comment "a bit like the use in English of One does this that" .... I think you are mixing up Se passive with Impersonal se. They are similar but different things with different rules of grammar. - DilKen, Aug 9, 2017
In fact, they are so similar, that in some cases it is impossible to tell whether a very short sentence is using one or the other. There are separate articles in the grammar section. :) - DilKen, Aug 9, 2017
OK obviously I was wrong to answer. I have had various lessons on it but clearly havent described it properly - Mardle, Aug 9, 2017
I don't think you were wrong to answer. Only one thing you said was a bit off. The link that you provided, and your statement that you don't see a true passive sentence were right on target. :) - DilKen, Aug 9, 2017