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This is the second time I"ve posted this. It did not appear on the site. The former title was "Sobre una frase".

“El coronel Aureliano Buendía no sólo lo aceptó, sino que impartió órdenes de una severidad terminante, y no permitió que nadie se le acercara a menos de tres metros, ni siquiera Úrsula, mientras los miembros de su escolta no terminaron de establecer las guardias alrededor de la casa.”

“Colonel Aureliano Buendía not only accepted it, he issued orders in no uncertain terms; and did not permit anyone to approach him closer than ten feet, not even Ursula, while the members of his escort finished (were finishing with the) posting (of) guards around the house.”

The English is my translation. I said “ten feet” (close enough)

My questions are:

Why is not the “personal a” used in this sentence regarding Ursula? Would it be incorrect to use it? I think not. Is it incorrect the way it is written?

Why is the preterite of “terminar” used here? I would think that the imperfect would be a better fit because the preceding “mientras” implies that the action was ongoing.

If “mientras” were changed to “hasta”, wouldn’t “terminaran” be the correct tense to use? Although the work had begun. it was not yet finished, implying a future action in relacion to “hasta”.

The quote is from “Cien año de soledad” by Gabriel García Márquez.

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updated Apr 18, 2017
posted by DonBigoteDeLaLancha
I do love his writing but am not familiar with this one , sorry . - ray76, Apr 16, 2017
que nadie se le acercara- here nadie is the pronominal subject of acercara- se=nadie, verb conjugated to nadie, so the ni siquiera Ursula would refer back to a subject, and subjects don't get a personal a. - bosquederoble, Apr 16, 2017
Yes, that makes sense in the quest to reduce redundancy. - DonBigoteDeLaLancha, Apr 16, 2017

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y no permitió que nadie se le acercara a menos de tres metros, ni siquiera Úrsula, mientras los miembros de su escolta no terminaron

Here mientras has the meaning of "hasta que"." Untill" hasta que los miembros.......

So he is speaking about a past (permitió ) and no usuall success so the the preterite is ok

Using mientras as while. The sentence would be.

Y no permitia........terminaban.

Ampliación en español para poder explicarme mejor.

Mientras puede funcionar como advervio o como conjunción.

En el ejemplo aportado funciona como conjunción con lo que indica simultaneidad, es decir las dos acciones se produjeron a la par.

Podemos Sustituir "mientras" por "hasta que" sin que el sentido de la frase varie .

y no permitió que nadie se le acercara a menos de tres metros, ni siquiera Úrsula, hasta que los miembros de su escolta no terminaron.

Pondré la frase en modo afirmativo porque creo que asi se aprecia mejor lo expuesto .

y solo permitió que se le acercara a menos de tres metros, incluida Úrsula, cuando los miembros de su escolta terminaron

Mientras funcionando como conjuncion y seguida del sudjuntivo funciona como un condicional.

No comes postre mientras no termines el puré.

Si no terminas el puré no comes postre.

En el ejemplo aportado podria haberse usado el sudjuntivo si el escritor hubiera querido darle el matiz de condición mas que el de simultaneidad.

updated Apr 18, 2017
edited by 000a35ff
posted by 000a35ff
Ya entiendo mejor, Astotxua. Voy a practicar por componer otras frases con construcción semejante . Gracias. - DonBigoteDeLaLancha, Apr 18, 2017
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Me parece que habría que poner la a personal antes de Ursula si el orden de la frase fuese el siguiente: (...) y no permitió a nadie que se le acercara a menos de tres metros, ni siquiera a Úrsula. Si lo dejamos tal y como está en el original, no creo que sea necesario utilizarla.

En cuanto a la segunda pregunta, me extraña que el verbo terminar no aparezca en subjuntivo. A ver qué opinan los demás.

updated Apr 17, 2017
posted by latte_art
I thnk Bosquederoble explained very well why the "a" is not there. "But "terminar" still has me wondering. An error by Gabo and the proofreaders? - DonBigoteDeLaLancha, Apr 16, 2017
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Hm. I still don't understand. Astotxua's post says that the preterite is correct in the sense that it was used. How can that be since the action in the second clause hadn't happened yet (It wasn't completed? If that is true, then the second example i gave must be incorrect, althhough it seems correct to me.

updated Apr 17, 2017
posted by DonBigoteDeLaLancha
I have added some explanations in my post trying to hwlp - 000a35ff, Apr 17, 2017
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Maybe you are right, Don Bigote! Probably the correct form would be:

...mientras los miembros de su escolta no terminaran (subjunctive mode) de establecer las guardias alrededor de la casa.

Lo cual confirma que hasta al mejor cazador se le va la liebre!

(By the way, how would you express the same idea in English?)

updated Apr 17, 2017
edited by LuisCache
posted by LuisCache
II would say, "Even the best hunter ca't bag all te rabbits/ Mejor: "nThe rabbit gets away from even the best hunter." - DonBigoteDeLaLancha, Apr 17, 2017
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“This is just a few pages later; but this time I think the correct verb form was used. Both involve “mientras” and an action that had not yet been completed. The use of “fuera” here seems to me to be correct. So why the difference in the verb tense between the quote in the original question and this one?

“El pretexto se le ofreció, efectivamente, cuando el presidente de la república se negó a asignar las pensiones de guerra a los antiguos combatientes, liberales o conservadores, mientras cada expediente no fuera revisado por una comisión especial, y la ley de asignaciones aprobada por el congreso.”

“The pretext was offered to him, effectively, when the president of the republic refused to grant veteran pensions to the former combatants, whether liberal or conservative, as long as each file remained without review by a special commission, and until the pension law be approved by congress.” (Translation is mine)

Quote from “Cien años de soledad” by Gabriel García Márquez

updated Apr 16, 2017
posted by DonBigoteDeLaLancha