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Does Tricky = Tramposo? or not? or only sometimes?

Does Tricky = Tramposo? or not? or only sometimes?

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Can someone please help me. I am finding it difficult to understand why it is that sometimes I am taught a word by one person (teacher, native Spanish speaker, born in Spain) and then when I later use it I am told that it is incorrect by another person (teacher, native Spanish speaker, born in Spain). This is not a rare occurrence and is often blamed on the difference between Spanish from Spain versus Spanish from South America. However since both people I am speaking with are Spanish I don’t believe that to be the reason. I also generally find examples of the word in use in various internet resources so I am wondering if my experiences are because;

• 1 or other of my teachers is wrong,

• My teachers are not aware of the regional differences in Spanish from one part of Spain to another and therefore assume that if it is not the way they speak then it must be something South American,

• Lots of internet resources are incorrect. (I know this to be true),

• I am not understanding the meaning of the word in the context in which I am using it. (this seems to me to be the most likely).

The example today is; “Tricky” – adjective, meaning something that traps you as it is difficult to understand and likely to mislead or deceive you. The spanish word I was told to use is “Tramposo”. But I have today been told that it is incorrect to use it in this sentence; “A mí, el cambio de hora invierno/verano es un poco tramposo.” I have compared this to the examples I have found of “tramposo” in use and I am at a loss to understand what I am doing incorrectly. Examples I have found follow;

From Spanishdict:

Separar los efectos del presupuesto en la economía de los efectos de la economía en el presupuesto es tramposo. = Separating the budget’s effects on the economy from those of the economy on the budget is tricky.

Este es un asunto tramposo. = This is a tricky business.

From Reverso Contexto:

The weather can be so tricky here. = El clima puede ser tramposo aquí.

You know, Byron, this is a tricky business. = Sabes, Byron, este es un negocio tramposo.

This is a tricky gift you've got. = Este don que tienes es tramposo.

Hold on, guys, there's a tricky bit up here. = Espérese un momento, los amigos, Hay un pedacito tramposo arriba aquí.

He's usually quite nice, but it's a bit tricky with banks. = Es buen tipo, pero es un poco tramposo con los bancos.

Well, that's kind of tricky, since I no longer have any tickets. = Bueno, eso es bastante tramposo, porque ya no tengo entradas.

It's a tricky cross-examination of a hostile witness, = Es un contrainterrogatorio tramposo, de un testigo hostil.

It's not just because it's tiny, tricky and difficult. = No ocurría por ser pequeño, tramposo y dificultoso.

Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

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updated Mar 29, 2017
edited by ErikainAndalusia
posted by ErikainAndalusia

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Tricky has different meanings:

  • difícil: (proceso, trabajo)
  • difícil: (situación)

Tramposo? No, that's wrong.

updated Mar 28, 2017
posted by Oshnaj
okay so it is wrong, but why? Given that there so many examples of it being used to translate tricky including on this site - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
clearly some people think that tramposo = tricky sometimes. Why/when is it wrong? - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
I think that "tricky" equals "difficult" is a bit simplistic. There is a more subtle nuance to the meaning which involves a degree of deception or misleading behaviour. Unless I've misinterpreted difícil. - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
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I'm a native Spanish speaker. We mostly use tramposo to say a person uses "tricks" to cheat in poker, gambling, in. an examen etc. I can't understand how the weather can do a trick except as a comparison. Maybe it is that un English the word tricky has more meanings. Juan es tramposo.Copia en todos los exámenes.

Las preguntas del profesor fueron tramposas. Nos hizo preguntas sobre temas que no dimos durante el curso.

Probably in Spanish there must be INTENTION . Probably Spanish and English speakers could have different viewpoints. I always remember how surprised we, Spanish speakers are, when we are told lettuce is an uncontable noun and you cannot say ONE lettuce, two lettuceS etc. For us it is more than evident that you have UNA LECHUGA, DOS LECHUGAS etc. r

updated Mar 29, 2017
edited by Polenta
posted by Polenta
Trickydefinitely has more than one application in English although I think they all have in common the idea of playing a trick ie misleading, defrauding or deceiving. - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
In the same way that the teacher´s questions are tricky because they are about subjects not yet studied, the concept regarding the weather is that it is difficult to predict because it looks like one thing (for example rain) yet ends up sunny. - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
In other words the weather deceives or misleads you and is therefore described as "tricky". - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
Sorry countables and uncountables are a different subject and are confusing and apparently arbitrary from language to language. Why pan-pan but tostada-tostadas? - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
Incidentally my father, an English as a second language speaker, still says "two toasts" after 60 years living in Australia and fluently speaking English (in general). And he´s not Spanish by the way. - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
you see we don't say the weather is tramposo un general excepto metaphorically - Polenta, Mar 28, 2017
Yes well it would be metaphorical in English too. A lot of English expressions are metaphorical. - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
In fact, thinking on this better, I think that it is more a matter of anthropomorphism, meaning that we are projecting human behaviour or motivations onto a non-human object eg the weather, the time, the state of the economy, etc. - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 29, 2017
Perhaps anthropomorphism is not as common in Spanish as in English? - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 29, 2017
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Lets's start with the English. In one sense, "tricky" means "somewhat difficult" so you can use "difícil or dificilito" or "un poco difícil."

Another sense that I know of is "delicate." as in a delicate situation.

So in that case, you can use "delicado(a)"

To "trick someone by deception" is" engañar" so your adjective would be "engañoso(a)."

updated Mar 29, 2017
edited by Daniela2041
posted by Daniela2041
thanks Daniela, I glimsped a notification in my email inbox and wondered. ;-) No thoughts on my problem? Your explanations are always awesome. Succinct, lucid and illuminatory. - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 28, 2017
OK Efrain, since you asked, I will put up my two pesos' worth. I kwill edit my post. - Daniela2041, Mar 28, 2017
Thanks Daniela. Ok so the bottom line - the translations on the web, including this website, and my teacher are wrong and the word "tramposo" does not describe something which traps by deception and/or is not used anthropomorphically? - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 29, 2017
It's so difficult knowing what to learn when it is told to you and, what to ignore because it is wrong. Sadly, no easier in English I know, especially when watching TV or even reading newspapers. :-( - ErikainAndalusia, Mar 29, 2017