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Tough to explain Spanish concepts (cual, la vs el, que)

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Person A) I told you to order the eel, not the salmon before we go to the assembly.

Person B) I didn't order that because we would be late. The salmon, which only has half the number of bones as the eel was quicker for me to finish.

Español:

Persona A) Te dije pedir la anguila, no el salmón antes de ir a la asamblea.

Persona B) No pedí esa porque seríamos tarde. El salmón, cual sólo tiene la mitad del número de huesos que la anguila fue más rápido para mí para terminar.

1)First, are there any mistakes?

2)La anguila eel why la not el?

3)La asamblea why la not el?

4)How do I know when to include "que" after decir?

5)Does cual actually need lo or la before it? Why?

6)Is there a shorter way to say the last sentence

Thanks so much!

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updated Nov 4, 2016
edited by Ramonaspiker
posted by Ramonaspiker

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This is how I'd say it:
A) Antes de ir a la asamblea, te dije que pidieras el salmón, no la anguila.
B) No la pedí porque llegaríamos tarde. Pude terminar el salmón, el cual tiene la mitad de huesos que la anguila, más rápido.

Anguila and asamblea are feminine nouns, therefore you use la with them. Generally, words that end in "-a" are feminine.

You always put the que after decir when you are actually saying what someone said.

Me dijo que estaba cansado.
He told me that he was tired. In English you use it too, although you can omit it.

Me lo dijo cansado.
In this example cansado is a predicativo subjetivo no obligatorio, that is to say, it's an adjective modifying the subject of the sentence. It's saying how the subject was feeling when he told me something. You don't include "que" here because you are not specifying what the subject said.

Edit:

Actually agua and águila are feminine nouns. Why do we use "el" with them? Because we don't like how it sounds! You have a similar rule in English. You say "a dog" but you say "an animal". You use "an" when the following word starts with a vowel. In Spanish it happens the same. You say "el agua" because if you were to say "la agua" it would sound weird, since "la" ends in "a", and agua begins with an "a". This happens with a many words. For instance, fairy in Spanish is "hada" (the h is mute, so it begins with an "a" sound, therefore we say "el hada")

For the second question, you use the subjunctive because it's a command.
¡Te dije que lo hicieras! -> I gave you an order.

updated Nov 4, 2016
edited by aileribel
posted by aileribel
Una respuesta excelente. - Daniela2041, Nov 3, 2016
Thanks a bunch aileribel! :) There are some words that end in -a that have "el" instead of "la" like agua and águila, so I was wondering why they had the "el" but not asamblea and anguila - Ramonaspiker, Nov 3, 2016
Why would it be "te dije que pides el salmón"? I do't see why I would use subjunctive here - Ramonaspiker, Nov 3, 2016
You're awesome! Thanks a bunch! It all makes sense now. Can el hada be used to say a guy fairy? - Ramonaspiker, Nov 3, 2016
Both female and male fairies would be "el hada" because of the stressed "a" sound :) - jellonz, Nov 3, 2016
Okay. Thought it would be like el hado. Thanks Jellonz! :) - Ramonaspiker, Nov 3, 2016
Oh, gotcha. I'm pretty sure "hada" is one of those nouns like "gorila" that doesn't change ending for female or male. That said I know there is regional variation with some of these word types and I have found "hado padrino" for fairygodfather so perhaps - jellonz, Nov 3, 2016
your "el hado" may be acceptable. Native input required :) - jellonz, Nov 3, 2016
I think most animals don't change articles to match the gender. Thanks again for all your help! :) - Ramonaspiker, Nov 4, 2016
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The technical reason why "la" is used with some nouns beginning with "a" or "h" but "el" is used for others comes down to where that noun is stressed. With "agua" and "águila" the stress is on the first syllable, which is why "el" is used. With "anguila" and "asamblea" the stress is not on the first syllable so "la" doesn't need to be changed.

As Aileribel says, it comes down to the way the words sound together. If you try saying "La agua" the stress on the first syllable of "agua" is difficult and it ends up sounding like "Lagua" hence "El agua" is used. The same problem doesn't exist when the stress is later in the word "La anguila."

updated Nov 3, 2016
edited by jellonz
posted by jellonz
I like this technical reason! Thanks a bunch jellonz. I appreciate this response because I like both technical and logical ways of understanding a language :) - Ramonaspiker, Nov 3, 2016
I'm the same (sometimes even looking for logic where none exists:) - jellonz, Nov 3, 2016