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pluperfect subjunctive v past perfect in this sentence

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In an article about certain Latin American countries winning awards from the United Nations for their demilitarization policies, there is the following sentence:

En 2013, el foco de este premio fue resaltar las políticas de desarme que hubieran contribuido a la paz, al desarrollo sustentable y a la seguridad.

If I were to write that sentence I would probably say "habían contribuido" rather than "hubieran contribuido." I don't understand why the pluperfect subjunctive was used.

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updated Nov 1, 2016
posted by malbecblend

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The feeling in Spanish is that the focus of the award was to highlight the policies of disarmament that might/may have contributed to peace, sustainable development and safety. The inference is that probably not all of the policies made that contribution. They may have and might have not.

updated Nov 1, 2016
posted by Daniela2041
that's what I was thinking too, but I wasn't sure. After all, there was no subjunctive "trigger" in the beginning of the sentence and it almost seems incongruous that awards would be given for policies that may or may not have been effective. - malbecblend, Nov 1, 2016
but, "habían contribuido" wouldn't necessarily be wrong, right? - malbecblend, Nov 1, 2016
No it wouldn't be wrong, but the meaning would change. There would be no "may/might:" element. - Daniela2041, Nov 1, 2016
I wonder about some "awards." Barak Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize and hadn't really gotten into his Presidency. I wonder what that committee would think now. - Daniela2041, Nov 1, 2016
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Although I agree with Daniela that the subjunctive can be used to mean 'might or may'/ 'might have, may have' etc but I dont think that it's necessarily the case in this example (I am not however a grammarian and this is just my opinion).

This isn't the easiest thing to explain but when you form a Spanish sentence with (for example) 2 clauses I believe you can use the subjunctive in the second clause to purely avoid declaring that information. It's good for adding some relevant information which isn't your focus but is still helpful, or for avoiding re-declaring information that is already known to your hearers/readers etc.

Indicative - used to 'declare' facts (or things that you believe to be a fact).

En 2013, el foco de este premio fue resaltar las políticas de desarme

In 2013, the focus of this award was to highlight the disarmament policies

... this is the main point that you want to share (indicative)

Subjunctive used for everything else, often just to relegate certain information to a less important level, not necessarily to cast doubts on its veracity etc

que hubieran contribuido a la paz, al desarrollo sustentable y a la seguridad.

that had contributed to peace, sustainable development and security.

... I would also consider this to also true but to be information of secondary importance from the speaker's viewpoint.

It would sound incorrect to me to use 'habían' but perhaps a native speaker will weigh in on that point.

If you're struggling to get your head around this you've probably seen this kind of thing in action with sentences that perhaps express emotion?

Eg. How would you translate this in Spanish?

I was happy that they had come to the party?

Likely you would use the indicative for the first clause and the subjunctive for the second clause, even though the second clause is also true.

So to use the same reasoning as I gave above ... the important part that you want to declare is how you felt, the second part is just as true but is relegated to a position of secondary importance by the use of the subjunctive.

I hope I haven't confused you even more. wink

updated Nov 1, 2016
edited by Kiwi-Girl
posted by Kiwi-Girl
As a native Spanish speaker I can speak for others of other nationalities than my own, who also know English will agree with me. In fact In your statement where you said "Subjunctive is used for everything else-- you are saying almost the same thing as I - Daniela2041, Nov 1, 2016
which is the "probability/improbability factor. This is where English uses the "may/might" element. - Daniela2041, Nov 1, 2016
When I was doing "teacher observation" as part of a pedagogy class, I was privileged to observe a "world class" teacher from Cuba who while teaching an Advanced Placement class, had to stop and think for a moment about whether to use indicative or - Daniela2041, Nov 1, 2016
subjunctive while discussing a certain matter. It was similar to the type of thing we are dealing with at present. - Daniela2041, Nov 1, 2016