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A question on English.

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I know English very well. I even have a B.A. Degree in English. But I don't think that I will ever totally master American English.

There are many many people who ask a question on this site beginning with "So."

Examples:

"So I'm learning Spanish and I wanna know a few things."

So my Spanish teacher said that my sentence was wrong, can you correct it pls?

So I'm learning Spanish verbs and I don't understand conjugations, anybody help?

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I thought only proper English was to be used on this site. Why are "questions" beginning with "So" or "OK permitted? Are these now accepted as proper? I would appreciate hearing from English teachers.

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updated Aug 20, 2016
edited by Daniela2041
posted by Daniela2041
Actually I would appreciate hearing from anybody, but the English teachers will have special insight into the problem. - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
That's something that hasn't been around a long time, but it seems is becoming more prevalent. - rac1, Jul 29, 2016
I have Skyped Ian. - rac1, Jul 29, 2016
They use that and "yeah" the same. It's not considered proper English. They use "like" the same way. - rac1, Jul 29, 2016
I can give you the names of many who have in recent days started their questions with "So" or "OK". - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
It's casual, conversational English and would be unacceptable in formal prose. I guess it's up to the mods to decide just how formal a standard they want to enforce. - AnnRon, Jul 29, 2016
OK, So like it's something like I Have to put up with, like. Like uggg! Man! - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
So I'm guessing you wish people wouldn't, like, do that. - AnnRon, Jul 29, 2016
OK, So, like, you got that right. - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
Dani, I agree with Ann about this The word so is used very casually in this kind of way and would not be considrered accapetable in a formal document or university assignment such as a dissertation ! - FELIZ77, Jul 30, 2016
Hi Dani have a badge for your good work. - ray76, Jul 30, 2016
Dearest Daniela, please please don't take offence, but I don't think I would say " I know English well" I would say I am good at English. I would say that I know Bert well. - HerefordLighting, Jul 30, 2016
I know Spanish even better. How about "I know English very well." - Daniela2041, Aug 20, 2016

6 Answers

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I have railed against this for years.It is like walking up to a stranger and saying,

So I have this project translate it I'm in a hurry

try that on in OZ and sparks would fly. I believe it is coming mainly from students

from the US , they do not introduce themselves via a profile and just expect the

world to obey their command .I do not say this as anti US but out of a studied

observation of our students who are mainly from the U S , also I know that our

students OZ do not use that speech pattern , they may in the UK, but we do not

have many on SD , and Europeans make themselves more obvious.

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In Melbourne we have 30 percent Asian mostly Chinese who own a great

deal of businesses, if we walk up to them we will open with ,"G'day how yagoin,

but they just say "whadya want"they have not learned the art of repartee, I had

to teach their children this in school , even our African Australians who are being

Taught English here have picked up very quickly our speech patterns sound

like typical Aussie kids . What I am trying to convey to you ( rather badly ) is that

if we want all of our students here to treat each other with respect and civility

then it behoves us to convey to them exactly how we wish to be addressed.

Hi guys my name is "Hilary" I need my thesis translated , thank you in advance"

Is OK ,But not -,"So translate this pronto ". Trump .

Thank you Daniela it was good of you to point this out to us.

updated Aug 20, 2016
posted by ray76
I don't think it's a "U.S." thing so much as it's a "kid" thing today. :) - rac1, Jul 30, 2016
You may be right Amber , I may be too old for this last trip. - ray76, Jul 30, 2016
Never too old Raymon. xo - rac1, Jul 30, 2016
Rac and Ray, I think it is can be both ;) - FELIZ77, Jul 30, 2016
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While I understand the desire to have well-written questions and responses that communicate effectively, some responses (not questions) are man-on-the-street in nature, like reactions to picture of the day, and so I hope this will not spill over into responses that are conversational in nature, as ordinary people don't speak the king's English. How do you get people to understand the difference? That's more difficult.

Having run off at the mouth about all of that, I understand you; I am amazed at how lazy some of those who transit through our website are about forming questions they hope to have answered.

Long live complete sentences!

updated Jul 30, 2016
edited by jrschenk
posted by jrschenk
Yay! - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
Thank you, Daniela. :D - jrschenk, Jul 29, 2016
All I am complaining about is the questions-on grammar and structure--not the games, where a lot of non-standard Spanish and English is used for fun. The serious questions should be stated properly and answered the same way. - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
Certainly we agree. :D - jrschenk, Jul 29, 2016
Thumbs up and a vote for you. - AnnRon, Jul 30, 2016
Gracias, Ann. - jrschenk, Jul 30, 2016
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Here are links to a few commentaries about beginning sentences with "so":

So Here's Why It's Okay to Start a Sentence with So

Do you use “so” to manage conversations?

So Here's Why Everyone Is Starting Sentences With The Word 'So'

Perhaps most relevant to our discussion is this quote from the last linked article:

"So" at the start of a question often marks the beginning of a new topic that one of the parties wants to discuss, often called an "interactional agenda," according to Bolden.

"When I ask — 'So how did your interview go?' — I indicate that I've been meaning to ask this question for a while, that it's been on my mind, or incipient," she explained.

updated Jul 30, 2016
edited by AnnRon
posted by AnnRon
Thanks for the links. :) - rac1, Jul 30, 2016
Sí. - jrschenk, Jul 30, 2016
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So? What can I say? smile

It is "so" bad.

"(So) I'm learning Spanish and I wanna (yuck!) know a few things.

The "So" is completely superfluous."

Almost as bad as "Like, I don't now what to say (like)."

updated Jul 30, 2016
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
I'm glad that you agree with me. - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
Of course I do Dani xx - ian-hill, Jul 29, 2016
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I had a Spanish teacher who started virtually every sentence with pues o entonces, it's basically the same thing.

My 14 year old son's friends have begun to start every sentence with 'Dude'. I can't tell you how much I am hoping that they grow out of this before the end of the summer.

updated Jul 30, 2016
posted by HerefordLighting
I know many hispanohablanes that murder the language. I get them in my class, and do they get a surprise when they find out what really proper Spanish is like. That teacher would do well to take my advanced class. - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
typo. "hispanohablantes." - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
By the way, I absolutely detest "dude!" - Daniela2041, Jul 29, 2016
So, we are dudeless here guys . - ray76, Jul 30, 2016
I think "dudes" are okay, I just don't like "dude" as a means of address or starting a sentence. - Daniela2041, Jul 30, 2016
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I agree with Ian but I especially agree with Jr. I am convinced that there needs to be a distinction made between an acceptable standard of correct English required in order to answer questions in the forum about vocabulary and grammar and the street talk which can be incorporated into captions for picture of the Day!

Yes, it is certainly true that most people on the street don't usually talk to their friiends and other people using grammatically correct sentences. The sentences would probably sound stilted and unnatural. The sentence structure of normal conversations has been considerably adapted to suit the needs of the communicators to make conversation flow much more easily. You even hear phrases like, "We was walking down the street when ...." (which is enough to make a dedicated English teacher wince with pain! lol)

University assignments (homework) would almost certainly be marked down by professors and lecturers in most of the prestigious universities in England and the UK if students were to submit assignments with the kind of informal English spoken on the street!

I love conversational language or street talk but I agree with you Dani and Ian, that it is not appropriate to use such words like so and like in a casual, lazy way.that is superfluous to requiments. We do need to uphold and maintain very high standards in both Spanish and English on Spanish Dict! I would defintely support you in this. wink

updated Jul 30, 2016
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
I think one has to realize we receive all types of people here speaking differently. If you see something that isn't proper English, just be polite and point it out to them, like we always do. :) - rac1, Jul 30, 2016