Dativo Ético and order of all these objects

Question

I understand that dativo ético "se" isn't really needed and can be omitted. But, can be used to emphasize, to show expressions of joy, etc.

For example:

Yo conozco México. Yo me conozco México.

and

Yo memorizo los nombres de las calles.
Yo me memorizo los nombres de las calles.

Examples with direct objects.

No des dulces a mi hijo. No me le des dulces.

and

Pónle desodorante a mi carro. Pónmele desodorante.

So, dativo ético comes first before objects.

But, why do we put "me" after indirect objects here?

No te bajonees. No te me bajonees.

and

Te pones listo en el examen. Te me pones listo en el examen.

and when you have two dativo étivo as followings, which one comes first?

Tómese estas medicinas. Tómeseme estas medicinas.

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Answer 1

To my understanding "dativo ético" indicates that someone is being affected/ is a party of interest- and is uncommon in English- sort of like "don't go doing that on me" (or don't do that on me if you don't like the relaxed grammar of it)- where me is neither the recipient of the action, nor the instigator- but is an interested party. This bit of grammar is a little advanced for me, but I am going to provide a link to a question I asked quite a while back on pronoun order for whatever help it gives.

http://www.spanishdict.com/answers/264930/personal-pronoun-order

Linking to here as my source:

https://books.google.com/books?id=N6LKAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT252&lpg=PT252&dq;="11.12+Order+of+object+pronouns+the+invariable+order"&source=bl&ots=Pwuzx2EtVG&sig=LduLN0AjVyeK1jyJScQ0K_EldbQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2nezp2afNAhUI8GMKHeEFCGgQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q="11.12 Order of object pronouns the invariable order"&f=false

Most of us have learned RID (Reflexive, Indirect, Direct) as the traditional order of pronouns.

But, I have seen an alternative claim (Butt and Benjamin) that the order of the pronouns can be thought of as:

1-se

2-te/os

3-me/nos

4-le/les/lo/la/los/las

I will note that I still have never seen a sentence accepted by a native as natural sounding that violates this order, and every time some other rule would require this order to be broken, I have seen them simply drop the pronoun and default to a noun, or leave it implied rather than violate this, even in cases when the pronoun would normally be there.

So I provide this just for interest, without being able to claim it is correct, but I have yet to see it violated. And it explains your te before me, but me before le.

Please not my link is to section 11.12 if the book, but if you scroll up one page to section 11.11 Object pronouns used to denote personal involvement you will find a discussion of precisely the grammar you are talking about. Although in that section they do not discuss pronoun order..

I think you got it right. The order of the pronouns. How did I forget that?!?!?!?! - 006a4546, Jun 14, 2016