Spanishdict hasta

Question

So I am looking at examples of hasta on spanishdict's dictionary page and I am wondering if this specific example is incorrect grammatically. I learnt that hasta is used with the infinitive only with the same subject or used with que + subjunctive when there is not the same subject. I would insert screenshots of the two sentences, but I do not know how to.

1) My boyfriend makes me laugh until I cry. Spanishdictionary: Mi novio me hace reír hasta llorar. Shouldn't it be Mi novio me hace reír hasta que lloro? My boyfriend is the first subject. The second subject is me. Putting Spanishdict's translation into the translator doesn't quite make sense either which makes me even more suspicious that it is wrong.

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Answer 1

hasta decir basta

1. loc. adv. En muy alto grado, en abundancia. Mi hijo tiene amigos hasta decir basta.

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In this RAE example the person doing the saying isn´t identified.

Mi novio me hace reír hasta llorar.

In this example it´s not clear who does the crying, so it´s OK, a similar phrase: ..... hasta morirse used with no person identified.

If you want to clearly indicate who is crying, then the subjunctive must be used: ... hasta que llore / hasta que me haga llorar, etc.

Oh okay. How would the sentence be translated then? My boyfriend makes me laugh until to cry? - Ramonaspiker, Jun 1, 2016

I would say "to the point of crying". Translating word for word looses the meaning - 005faa61, Jun 1, 2016

With you identified "to the point of my crying" / "to the point that I cry" - 005faa61, Jun 1, 2016

Makes sense. Thank you so much Julian! :) If you don't mind, I'd like to see more examples of hasta + infinitive - Ramonaspiker, Jun 2, 2016

Answer 2

I don't find anything wrong with the SpanishDict lesson on the subject, but the "hasta que llore" also makes sense.

Thanks Daniela! To me, I just find it hard to translate without knowing who does the crying since llorar isn't conjugated in the Spanishdictionary translation. Do you mind giving me a couple of quick examples of hasta + infinitive? - Ramonaspiker, Jun 1, 2016

And I think I made a mistake. I think it is "hasta que lloro" because present tense is followed by present tense indicative right? - Ramonaspiker, Jun 1, 2016

Hasta que is a conjunction of time. Future and commands + hasta que + present subjunctive. Conditional + hasta que + imperfect subjunctive. All other tenses + hasta que + indicative. - Ramonaspiker, Jun 1, 2016

Answer 3

I don't know the answer to your question for sure, but I also learned to use hasta in the same way that you describe above, so I would like to hear from a native speaker whether this is technically grammatically correct or not.

Having said that, I did a quick google search with quotation marks of the shortened phrase "me hace reír hasta llorar," and I found some instances on social media of the phrase being used in the same way as your above example, so my guess is that even if it is not grammatically correct, it is frequently used with that meaning.

Oh right I should have done a few searches using this phrase. Yeah hasta is an interesting grammar topic so let's wait for a fluent Spanish speaker to give some insight. Thanks for informing me of the frequent use of this phrase! :) - Ramonaspiker, Jun 1, 2016