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Using imperfect multiple times in a sentence

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I'm translating the following:

  1. (A) "At seven-twenty in the morning, I brushed my teeth
  2. (B) "while I washed my face with soap.
  3. (A) "I gobbled cooked white rice with miso soup"
  4. (B) "while I ate bread coated with plenty of jam.
  5. (A) "I did my homework in the mornings right before class
  6. (B) "while I returned books I had borrowed from Grandfather.
  7. (A) "I played outside with my friends after class
  8. (B) "while I sat in a dark, cold, desolate cell by myself.
  9. (A & B) "Neither of us knew happiness nor unhappiness until we reunited."

    1. (A) A las siete y viente en la mañana, me cepillaba las dientes
    2. (B) mientras me lavaba la cara con jabon.
    3. (A) Yo comía arroz blancas con la sopa miso
    4. (B) mientras yo comía el pan con demasiada mermelada.
    5. (A) Hice la tarea justo antes la clase primera manana
    6. (B) mientras yo devolvía los libros que yo habria pedir prestado de mi abuelo.
    7. (A) Despues de clases aburridos, yo jugaba afuera con mis amigos
    8. (B) mientras yo jugaba en mi celda solo, por mi mismo.
    9. (A and B) Ninguno de sabíamos felicidad o dolor hasta nos reunimos.

First, am I supposed to use imperfect tense (imperative mood) until line 9? Second, if so, is line six completely in imperfect tense (imperative mood), i.e. "Mientras yo devolvía libros que yo había pedir prestado de mi abuelo"?

To whomever aids me, thank you.

P.S. Out of curiosity, can imperative and subjunctive moods be mixed in the same passage?

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updated Dec 29, 2015
edited by L1gH72n0W
posted by L1gH72n0W
Go ahead, edit your post and translate the items. We will provide corrections. And please fill out your profile, so that we may know your level of English and Spanish. It makes it easier for us to answer, using terminlogy you will understand. - Daniela2041, Dec 28, 2015
P.S. The answer to your last question is Y E S. - Daniela2041, Dec 28, 2015
Welcome to the forum , we want to help you so fill out your profile If you have a problem PM a mod Bienvenido al foro. Queremos ayudarle, entonces hay que llenar su perfil. Si hay un problema, envíe un mensaje personal (PM) - ray76, Dec 28, 2015
I see that homework is wanting to be done over the holiday period. - ray76, Dec 28, 2015
Another P.S. Some of these phrases are not real sentences at all, but sentence fragments. Could you please recheck what is supposed to happen here and get back with an edit that will make sense to us? - Daniela2041, Dec 28, 2015
To Daniela (part 3): Second, the speakers are talking back-to-back, in the order presented. I do not wish to modify the material any further - I want to keep the original meaning. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
To Ray: This is something I chose to do, not homework. Pregunté para ayuda de la gente en este sitio web. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
To Ray: Gracias para tu invitación al foro. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Mate we need your language level in Spanish , and whether English is your first language , this is important in order to better help you. - ray76, Dec 29, 2015
Would it help if I said my skill level isn't beyond all of Lesson 1 of Spanishdict.? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
To Daniela (part 4): I didn't expect any assistance; I just wanted a tip. Thank you for offering to correct the translations. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
To Ray: I discovered a link to "Edit my profile" from a message sent to me. Thank you. I apologize for being dense in the beginnning. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
To Daniela (part 5): I modified the source content for clarification. Is that better? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
I believe you have more than enough information here and there are more comments than question and answers. This post is closed. - rac1, Dec 29, 2015

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As Daniela said, these are clauses and not complete sentences, so you need a complete sentence that provides some context to be able to determine if the verbs should be imperfect or preterite, which should have been given to you by your teacher. Without context, this silly exercise is a waste of time.

Also note that imperative is not imperfect. Imperative is what we call a verb that has the conjugation of a demand.

Mientras yo devolvía que yo había pedir prestado de mi abuelo

The verb pedir should be conjugated to pedido and you have over-used the pronoun yo and depending on context, it should possibly not be used at all. Also it´s better to use the pronoun lo before que.

updated Dec 29, 2015
edited by 005faa61
posted by 005faa61
Something told me to use "lo" before "que"; I didn't. Thank you. Out of curiosity, what is the reasoning? I believed "lo que" to be used for clarity, i.e. "The one who is". For example: Mi papel, lo que necessito mañana, no está en la mesa. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Second, this is a narrative between two speakers. I know the speakers. I simply want to translate word for word - or meaning-for-meaning - into spanish. This is something I undertook myself - not homework. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Third, I know imperative is not imperfect. The former is a mood; the latter, a tense. I parenthesized the fomer to clarify, assuming everyone here would recognize I understood the difference. I probably should not have done that. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Yes, I also know I've overused the pronoun "Yo". However, there are two different speakers, and they both use "I". If I cannot use "Yo" to elucidate matters, then should I omit them, as expected in first-person conjugations?? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Sixth:"Silly exercise"? May I have an explanation for that, please? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Fifth: "Mientras yo devolvía libros que yo había pedido prestado de mi abuelo"? What is the reasoning here? Writing the translation this way makes little sense to me. Would you explain? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Hey calm down buddy we are only trying to help and to be honest it is kind of a silly exercise and there are a lot of words for I , me and myself so it is a over- used. - Nickelbackfan1, Dec 29, 2015
Nickelbackfa: Trataré otra vez... I apreciate the help. I don't understand why people think this is a silly exercise - I'd like an explanation for the dislike of the exercise. Why is translating this silly? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Nickelbackfa:... I don't understand why it makes sense. I would like him - or her - to explain. Also, will you explain? I appreciate the help, but I don't understand the reasoning. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
I also don't understand why you think I'm upset. I'm asking questions because I need the information. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
To Nickelbackfa: Additionally, from memory, first-person and third-person conjugations of the imperative conditional and imperative preterite are the same, no? Thus the overuse of "yo". How do I write the passage without marring source content or meaning? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Well mate it is easier to understand and is better written when you think about it and I am sorry the way I read your comments made me think you were frustrated. - Nickelbackfan1, Dec 29, 2015
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If it is homework, and it looks to be homework, you really should do it yourself.

If you are fond of gobbling rice for breakfast, I can only advise you to slow down, have a cup of tea and don't eat the toast at the same time, even if coated with plenty of jam. Note that jam is VERY bad for your health, as is gobbling food at any time of day, or, indeed night.

¡ Felices fiestas! in your cell, why are yo in prison?

updated Dec 29, 2015
edited by annierats
posted by annierats
Now hold on Annie, I agree with you that he should show an attempt, but Isn't you answer a little off topic here darling. - Nickelbackfan1, Dec 28, 2015
To Nickelbackfa: This is something I undertook myself, not a homework assignment. Either way, asking for a tip is fair, no? I didn't care to show the exercise because I tend to study solo. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
I am sorry about that I did not know that, and yes it is very fair for you to ask for a tip, but it is sometimes mandatory on SD for it to be shown so it is not mistaken for homework or classwork, it happens a lot here on SD. - Nickelbackfan1, Dec 29, 2015
I see. Thank you. That said, if someone asked for a tip on this website with homework, that would be unfair? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Are the site's users attempting to avoid plagerism claims from this website? It just hit me that might be a reason why one would worry about homework or classwork being posted here... - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Yes and yes It is very common and we are trying to stop people from doing that. - Nickelbackfan1, Dec 29, 2015
Thank you. Please, would you answer all the other questions I left in Julian Vivi's thread? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Nickelbackfan, Why are you involved in this question? Let it alone. - rac1, Dec 29, 2015
You are giving information about SD that is a bit off. Let the moderators take care of these things. - rac1, Dec 29, 2015
Okay Rac as you wish. :) - Nickelbackfan1, Dec 29, 2015
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Muy bien, amigo, voy a intentar a darle unas revisiones y correcciones a estas frases.

I'll just copy and past what you put in your question then correct the translations in bold.

L1gH72n0W

I'm translating the following:

(A) "At seven-twenty in the morning, I brushed my teeth
(B) "while I washed my face with soap.
(A) "I gobbled cooked white rice with miso soup"
(B) "while I ate bread coated with plenty of jam.
(A) "I did my homework in the mornings right before class
(B) "while I returned books I had borrowed from Grandfather.
(A) "I played outside with my friends after class
(B) "while I sat in a dark, cold, desolate cell by myself.

(A & B) "Neither of us knew happiness nor unhappiness until we reunited."

(A) A las siete y veintede la mañana, me cepillaba las dientes

(B) mientras me lavaba la cara con jabón

(A) Yo comía arroz blanco con la sopa de miso

(B) mientras yo comía el pan con mucha mermelada.

(A) Hice la tarea por la mañana justo antes de clase.

(B) mientras yo devolvía los libros que yo le había pedido prestados a mi abuelo.

(A) Después de clases aburridas, yo jugaba afuera con mis amigos

(B) mientras yo jugaba en mi celda solo, abandonado.

(A and B) Ninguno de nosotros conocíamos la felicidad o el dolor hasta que nos reunimos.

updated Dec 29, 2015
edited by Daniela2041
posted by Daniela2041
I think I got all the bugs out. Your attempt was great for a beginner. - Daniela2041, Dec 29, 2015
First, thank you... However, I've been a beginner since junior high. I know it was well-intentioned, but reading "Your attempt was great for a beginner" hurts like a physical wound. That's my problem, I know - but I can't help it... - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Second, why "que yo le había pedido prestados"? I don't understand the reasoning. - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Third, why "conocíamos la felicidad"? Saber is more thorough in meaning, no? In other words, while both saber and conocer mean "to know", saber is "knowing"; conocer "familiarity". Why use saber here? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
Fourth, why "hasta que"? - L1gH72n0W, Dec 29, 2015
You said that you hadn't achieved beyone level 1 of SD. That does put you at beginner level. I have put in a lot of work into this, and if you are so offended I will delete it. As to your further question in the comment section, there is quite a long - Daniela2041, Dec 29, 2015