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nieve / nieva after antes de que

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Mango Languages teaches "antes de que nievE" for "before it snows." Google Translate gives "antes de que nievA." Which is correct? My uninformed self is casting a preliminary vote for Mango because it seems to me that the snow is merely anticipated and that there's uncertainty that it will actually fall, but to be sure, I'd love to hear from someone more in-the-know than I.

(My class was over as of Monday night. This isn't homework. LOL. )

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updated Nov 28, 2015
edited by AnnRon
posted by AnnRon
This still smells of homework to me , this member has a double identity , very suspicious she/he needs moderator attention inmediamente. - ray76, Nov 27, 2015
I suggest you takes a dog sledge and visit her Ray :) - ian-hill, Nov 27, 2015
¡Trae vino! (por los perros, por supuesto). - AnnRon, Nov 27, 2015
After reading your lesson, Ray, I realized I should say "para los perros." :>) - AnnRon, Nov 28, 2015

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Per my favorite course:

http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/courses/SUBJADV.HTM

Antes de que always take subjunctive. Which is what I always do. This is of course written for students, so I will not swear that there is not some rare exception, but it should be considered the general rule.

Adverbial conjunctions which are ALWAYS followed by the subjunctive (because they always indicate a pending/hypothetical action or state):

Conjunction Translation Corresponding preposition

a fin de que so that a fin de

a condición de que on the condition that

a menos que unless

a no ser que lest, unless

antes (de) que before antes de

con tal (de) que provided that con tal de

en caso de que in case en caso de

no sea que / no fuera que lest, so that ... not (= para no)

para que so that Para

sin que without sin

updated Nov 27, 2015
posted by bosquederoble
Bosque, you know where the good stuff is. Thanks. - AnnRon, Nov 25, 2015
De nada, amiga. :) - bosquederoble, Nov 25, 2015
I see we both have the same favorite source hehe - HackerKing, Nov 26, 2015
Yes, it's one of the few I can remeber whilst talking, because it occurs so often antes de que and después de que.. - annierats, Nov 27, 2015
Ah, but depués de que does not always require subjunctive. Hice esto depués de que él hizo eso. :) - bosquederoble, Nov 27, 2015
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Right form: "Antes de que nieve."

So many people say: "Antes de que neve", which is wrong but it is a common mistake we make here.

updated Nov 27, 2015
posted by Santyy7
WQhen are going to open a thread of your own mate, you are good enough to do it . - ray76, Nov 27, 2015
"When" . - ray76, Nov 27, 2015
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Just a short intrusion to attempt to make things clearer.

"Antes de que" is one of these conjunctions that can be followed by a verb either in the "indicative" mode or "subjunctive" mode.

If the action is yet to happen, then the subjunctive is used. "Voy a preparar mi casa contra la inundación antes de que llueva. "

If you did it in the past, it would go like this. Preparé mi casa con contra la inundación antes de que llovió.

If it is a regular on-going thing, it takes the indicative.

Cada año preparo mi casa contra la inundación antes de que llueve.

¡Caramba, qué lluvia!

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updated Nov 28, 2015
edited by Daniela2041
posted by Daniela2041
Since you've introduced a time component for this adverbial phase (putting it in the past) does it apply to others on Bosque's list? I don't think "para que" would have indicative in the past: Hice para que me quisiera - I did it so she would love me. - Jubilado, Nov 27, 2015
That could be New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina! (Can I get a heart now?) - Winkfish, Nov 28, 2015
(heart) Here is a heart for you Wnky, enjoy ! - ray76, Nov 28, 2015
You're the best, Ray! (Next to Daniela an Rac, of course. ;-) - Winkfish, Nov 28, 2015
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Well, in my humble opinion, there are two possible situations here which would call for different treatments. As it very rarely snows here in New Orleans, I'll use "rain," as it does rain a lot here, and both of these following situations occur quite frequently.

Situation 1 The forecast calls for a 40% chance of rain in the afternoon. It's a little cloudy in the morning, but it doesn't look like it will rain soon. However, you're going out for the day with some friends in their car. You say, "I'm going to put the top up on the convertible before it rains." As we all know how accurate forecasts are, rain is only a possibility. The subjunctive would be used.

Situation 2. You're at home, and you here thunder. You look out the window, and heavy black clouds are rolling in fast, lots of lightning and thunder. You say, I'm going to put the top up on the convertible before it rains." This would use the indicative. You know it's going to rain.

My audio course makes that distinction many times, and it depends on if you're pretty sure or if you really don't know.

updated Nov 28, 2015
posted by Winkfish
It makes no odds, antes de que is followed by the subjunctive, forget about likelyhood it is just a rule. - annierats, Nov 27, 2015
But I applaud your effort to make sense of it. My thoughts were exactly the same when I saw that Google was giving a different translation from what I'd learned on Mango. - AnnRon, Nov 27, 2015
Thanks, Annie. In going back over my course, the "que" isn't used in the phrases they said. I'm thinking maybe it's the "que" that makes the phrase "indefinite" thus requiring the subjunctive. - Winkfish, Nov 28, 2015
Indeed, in one of my first high school English classes, I first heard what I thought to be a very strange phrase, but was actually a subjunctive clause: "Would that it were cold" meaning "if only it were cold." - Winkfish, Nov 28, 2015
Great answers Winky , Would that i could avail myself of extra votes I would proffer them all to you comrade. - ray76, Nov 28, 2015
Thank you, Ray. I am really looking forward to having a tinnie with you! - Winkfish, Nov 28, 2015
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De acuerdo con Bosque: antes de que nieve.

Otros ejemplos:

Antes de que anochezca.

Antes de que amanezca.

Antes de que llueva.

Antes de que cierren.

Antes de que regresen.

Saludos! smile

updated Nov 28, 2015
posted by LuisCache
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Para Wnky a disfruta .

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updated Nov 28, 2015
edited by ray76
posted by ray76
:-). See above comments, Ray! Thank you!!! - Winkfish, Nov 28, 2015
That would be a beaudy time mate . - ray76, Nov 28, 2015
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Para AnnRon y tus perros .

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updated Nov 28, 2015
posted by ray76