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Have the Mods Decided on a Policy on Newbies and Profiles yet?

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It is getting somewhat discouraging, for me at least when I try to answer questions, then find out later that the newbies haven't filled out their profile. And on top of that, very seldom do I get any feedback on whether they even read my answers or not. The games are easy and fun for me, and get me a lot of votes, but the grammar questions are starting to grab me in a negative way.

Maybe I am misinformed, but I thought that the main purpose of this forum was to help learners with their questions, and correct their attempts at answering them. I realize that not every member is attracted to every grammar problem, that's OK, I don't expect to get a lot of votes on these. I just want to help. But when these people won't even give you the courtesy of a comment. Sheesh! Couldn't there appear on the main webpage something about filling in a profile, and responding with a comment as a courtesy to those who try to give good answers?

OK. Está bien. End of Rant. Anybody else feel like I do?

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updated May 20, 2015
posted by Daniela2041
Great Dani ! your style in writing is so attractive - mohamedsaleh, May 18, 2015
I agree, Dani. I just posted on the Forum thread. http://www.spanishdict.com/answers/223081/spanishdict-forum-rules/newest#a865266 - sanlee, May 18, 2015
I don't know how you get response from people who post once and then never return, but I agree with your post here. - Jubilado, May 18, 2015
On a similar note, I made a comment regarding the symbolic use of "comb" peine that you were trying to give some insight to and both your comment and mine seem to have been removed. While on the other hand, arguably provocative religious and political ? - Hankhankali, May 19, 2015
I agree wholeheartedly with your views expressed in this post, Daniela :) - FELIZ77, May 19, 2015
Don't be discouraged, Dani. I know it's tough, but you are making a difference and your effort is appreciated. ♥ - rac1, May 19, 2015
I think it's great that you are so loved and appreciated on SD on a scale that I don't enjoy. SD is not going to get rid of voting so it's not so obvious that some are not as "plugged into" the community... - Sassette, May 19, 2015
...despite the negative feelings and realistic expectation that the powers that be here on SD will not change anything I've decided to continue contributing because it's still fun. - Sassette, May 19, 2015

8 Answers

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Dani - how can we make members do what we think is best?

The moderators do not decide on the rules the administrators do.

Often when moderators try to instil some discipline and good manners we often get sarcastic remarks and unhelpful comments from other members.

Just keep up your good work please. smile

updated May 19, 2015
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
If there were only some guidelines for the newbies, you don't have to call them "rules', but put them where people can see them, otherwise how will they know? - Daniela2041, May 18, 2015
Dani, you need to send your suggestions through feedback. I have sent this request in along with others. So please send your suggestions as well. - rac1, May 19, 2015
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It does my old heart good to see that there are still great members here that care,

Members who care about SD and work hard as we mods do to keep it on track.

The solution from the point of view of the moderators that view every post every

day is quite simple , and that is to realise that there are two types of members

There are those members that join with the desire to learn Spanish/English and

are willing to fill out their profile and share in the forum asking and answering

questions they quickly learn the rules and show their gratitude with comments

of appreciation .Then there are the students most of whom are here merely to

have their homework corrected , they disappear and then reappear in another

guise for their next assignment to be done for them, they remain anonymous

If the members would just simply ask the newbies to fill out their profile before

they complete their homework then we may get a better response

I send a PM to almost every newbie asking for a reply ,I rarely ever get a reply

I did this morning from Debbie she had filled out her profile and will be a good

member, the profile is important for many reasons but mainly it shows a

commitment to learning a language and helping others to learn also.

updated May 19, 2015
edited by ray76
posted by ray76
Very well said, Ray :) - FELIZ77, May 19, 2015
Yep - rac1, May 19, 2015
That's it precisely. People who genuinely want to learn will respond to the answers they receive. Nobody had to tell me to thank the people who replied to my questions and I bet it's the same way for pretty much everyone who really wants to learn. - Manity, May 19, 2015
Bien dicho amigo. - ian-hill, May 19, 2015
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¡Bien dicho, Daniela! wink

updated May 19, 2015
posted by LuisCache
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All of these suggestions need to be sent in to the administrators through the feedback button to your right. It does absolutely no good to keep re-hashing this here in the forum because they are the only ones that can make changes like this. I have asked members to do this time and again.

Please don't misunderstand me. These are great suggestions, but they will only be considered if you send them in. I understand your frustration about new members not saying thank you or even acknowledging your help, but some folks may never do that.

As far as the purpose of this forum, it is here to help us learn Spanish or English. There are many great resources here to help accomplish this and all for Free. So, please, please send in those suggestions.

Another thing, the rules clearly state that homework questions will only receive help once the OP has made an attempt. I see many answering these questions anyway. That only adds to the problem.

updated May 20, 2015
edited by rac1
posted by rac1
OK, Amber, I sent in my suggestion and guidelines. I hope it works! ♥ - Daniela2041, May 19, 2015
Thanks, Dani. I sent mine too and I hope others will do the same. ♥ - rac1, May 19, 2015
:) - ian-hill, May 20, 2015
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There is no right or wrong answer. I try and remain optimistic, but it can be dispiriting. I think on a post Dani talked about points and clearly that is a way to acknowledge the effort someone has made.

My laptop is sick at the moment so I cannot post pictures and am limited as to when I can post links.

There are some games where it is a word and a picture + points - not even a comment or a sentence - I have tried to join in and they can be good for vocabulary and amusing.

However, when you make an effort to answer a new members query and take some time and there is no acknowledgement whatsoever - not even a negative one - you can become jaded.

But there have been times when I have given new members time and have had a thanks - this does not have to be points because when they are brand new they may not realise the custom.

I don't know how we should respond - in a selfish way if I believe the new member is a fluent Spanish speaker I try to cherish them!

As I have laptop trouble I may just look from the sidelines for a while but it would oil the wheels if there are clear guidelines as to how to thank.

Speaking of which I have quuestions where I haven't chosen the best answer and have searched answers on the subject but haven't found out how to do so!

updated May 20, 2015
posted by Mardle
Thanks, Mardle. That's another point I wanted to stress is the search function needs improvement, to say the least. I have ask the admins for this as well. - rac1, May 19, 2015
The search doesn't find anything recent. If I want to find something I have done, I actually go on google and put enough words that sometimes I can find it. But it is never accessible from direct search here. :) - bosquederoble, May 19, 2015
I would love to be able to direct search only my own answers for something- then I would not have to re-create it when I know it is something I gave a good answer to some months ago, but just can't find it. - bosquederoble, May 19, 2015
I have answered a few too many questions to just look through my list of answers blindly. :( - bosquederoble, May 19, 2015
Search function? Hay una de esas? - Daniela2041, May 20, 2015
There is a tab at the top of the Q&A that says, "My questions" and "My answers". - rac1, May 20, 2015
But it simply does NOT work when searching the "reference" material - returns stuff from the Q&A. IT is a very basic search function anyway - it is a very amateurish function. - ian-hill, May 20, 2015
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After reading carefully all these great suggestions, which have probably been stated time and time again by various ones on similar posts, The only thing I can think of is calling them "Guidelines for New Users" and state them as follows.

First: Spanish dict is not a translation service; nor do we do homework for you. There is a "translator" available when you enter the site. We will also correct your homework for you

Second: Before asking your question, please fill out your profile, giving your gender and Your levels of English and Spanish. This is important for us to be able answer your question in the language you best understand.

Third: As a courtesy to the person(s) answering your question, please leave a comment as to whether you are satisfied with the answer or desire more information.

Those are the guidelines I would put up for the would be user. Now if we can get the management to place these guidelines on the "Ask a Question" box, I think the problem will be solved. A Spanish translation could also be provided.

Now, regarding using the feedback button. I, Daniela, am nothing to these administrators, and have made suggestions from time to time, without response, but (and I may be totally wrong on this) if all three mods happen to like my guidelines and would make the suggestion that these guidelines be placed in the Ask A Question area, who knows what good things could happen? It wouldn't hurt!

Thanks for the wonderful responses. ??

updated May 20, 2015
posted by Daniela2041
very well put. You did provide feedback and I admire the effort to see if the mods are on board and could provide some support. - Sassette, May 19, 2015
We do have guidelines at the top of each question box. Even though you feel like it does no good for you to send suggestions through feedback, it absolutely does. It takes everyone sending in suggestions and it also takes time to implement such things. :) - rac1, May 19, 2015
The guidelines given at the question box, do not address the problems we're talking about here. - Daniela2041, May 19, 2015
No, not everything you have suggested, but the Rules have some of them. - rac1, May 19, 2015
If they make a change to the profile policy, there won't be any need to add it to the guidelines or the rules. - rac1, May 19, 2015
I will be watching my email to see if they do reply. I will consider it a major miracle if I do get one. - Daniela2041, May 20, 2015
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There is at least one way we could try to insist that newbies (new members) complete their profile but it would only be really effective if we all work together on this and stand in unity and solidarity and be consistent:

We all refuse to answer any of their homework questions until and unless they fill in their basic profile imformation: no profile completed, no help given!!!! ! wink

These 'fly by night'/'one night stand' members probably don't care if they receive any votes as their main motive seems to be to get someone else to do their homework while they take the credit for any success they achieve ...how the heck do they think they will ever nae any progress that way in learning any language?!!!

Our only effective tool is to withhold help until they cooperate by providing us with their basic details of gender and levels of competency!

There is a risk that we could even lose some of them but how could we possibly help them in any effective way anyway without knowing their levels of competency in Spanish and English ...we are just shooting in the dark; which is a total waste of our time and effort! wink

Finally, the best way would be that each newbie would not be able to post /were blocked from being to post any question until these basic details had been completed and that this would be made clear to them when 1 they first entered the site and 2 repeatedly mentioned whenever they tried to post a question. After all, many language sites that require monthly/yearly subscriptions do this!

updated May 19, 2015
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
Good on you mate , your blood is worth bottling , you are more useful than a wooden leg in a bushfire!. - ray76, May 19, 2015
That's true, Feliz. But I have several new Spanish speakers in my thread that have not filled out their profile due to language difficulties, but they are making good corrections to our sentences. I would hate to lose them because they did not fill out - sanlee, May 19, 2015
their profile. I think if the rules were translated into Spanish, they would understand the situation better. I have known these people for quite some time from Duo and worked with them. We are fortunate they are spending time with us. I know, in time, we - sanlee, May 19, 2015
will get them to fill out their profile, but I don't want to scare them away. Thanks for understanding. - sanlee, May 19, 2015
You have made a very good, valid point , Sandy! Could you please turn this response into an actual post on this thread, not just as a c? I am sure that some natives here would be willing to translate the requirements into Spanish for them! - FELIZ77, May 19, 2015
not just as a comment under my post? - FELIZ77, May 19, 2015
Sandy told me of these good people Feliz and I am looking after them . - ray76, May 19, 2015
Yes, she told me as well. - rac1, May 19, 2015
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Please don't vote for me; just enjoy sharing cool smile

I get scared when Danisaurus gets mad. I think we all need to pay serious attention to what she's saying and address her concerns. Remember, she's let us all know in word of the day that she's a meat eating Velociraptor. gulp

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updated May 19, 2015
edited by Sassette
posted by Sassette