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Completing profiles in reasonable time!!!

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This is particularly a question for all the Mods ( and Rockers!, just joking about Rockers! lol hehehe)

Could we make completing your (one's) profile a condition for posting a question in future so that if a person did not complete their profile details either

1.upon joining SpanishDict or...

2.within a set (prescribed) time limit say 1 month, they would not be able to post a question or continue posting questions/answers?!

I am sure that I am not alone in being sick and tired of asking new members to complete their profiles so that we know their gender and especially their level of proficiency (ability) in both Spanish and English! wink

I have no desire at all to turn away new members or discourage existing members from continuing to participate with us but having to remind people on an almost daily basis to fill in their profiles is beyond a joke!!!

Surely there must be something we can do (or that can be done) to improve the situation?! Does/would the Spanishdict management team support such a move?

I would be interested to hear the views of other people here, especially Spanish-speaking natives and others who use various language wesites, as I do, how these sites deal effectively (or not, as the case may be ) with the same issue!

I look forward to reading your contributions! smile

You don't all have to agree with me lol but please just disagree in a respectful manner giving valid reasons! wink

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updated Jul 27, 2015
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
Tienes mi voto. Es una pregunta excelente! - Daniela2041, May 4, 2015
Mil gracias, Daniela :) - FELIZ77, May 4, 2015
I can't stand people who don't fill out their profiles :D - Pablo064, May 4, 2015
When i was young Feliz, there were two groups of teenagers , "the Mods " and "The Rockers" Ian and i were both ---?... - ray76, May 5, 2015
:) - ian-hill, May 5, 2015

10 Answers

7
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Well I haven't completed my profile yet. I could of course complete it with lies! However, when I first signed up I did put my gender the country where I lived and my language level as that impacted on any posts I wished to make.

I may put more information later.

I do think it shows a thoughtlessness for other forum members if you choose not to put the minimum information before you ask a question. I have put before that there should be give and take.

However, do you want to risk scaring off some of the newer learners who may think you are being nosy or bossy? Some of the posts a probably from teenagers who are oblivious to what they should do.

I get fed up with silly comments [ie not a question] and requests for translating a very short simple phrase with no context or suggestion as to why they think it is difficult.

The people who have added to the post are all keen contributors to the forum - it is a pity we do not know what attracts frivolous posts and empty profiles.

I definitely post asking people to add the details if it is their second question or a clear 'I cannot be bothered to do my homework'

I will stop now as I am getting splinters in my bottom!

updated Jul 27, 2015
posted by Mardle
Yes, good points. That is why I think we have to get it changed from the admins. We can't really insist they fill it out if SD hasn't made it a requirement. - rac1, May 5, 2015
I haven't updated mine for years and very little on it isnow true. So? Profiles are useless! And it is an offputting requirement. - annierats, May 5, 2015
You would say that wouldn't you? - ian-hill, May 5, 2015
The only thing that has changed is where you live. We are not even asking for that. - ian-hill, May 5, 2015
Let me ask you this...Why would you join a site to learn a language and not want to add language details to your profile?? That doesn't even make sense. - rac1, May 5, 2015
Annie, we are just talking about minimum requirements of gender and language level so that we can know how best to help people! ! Beyond that, they can say as much or little as they please ...I frankly don't care! lol fa - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
Thank you for your contribution, Mardle :) - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
not sure about RAC comment - I agree and added when I joined language level gender and location - Mardle, May 5, 2015
Sorry about that....I should have directed my comment. I was commenting to Annie. - rac1, May 6, 2015
fine, I thought you may have misunderstood my 'not completed my profile' thanks - Mardle, May 6, 2015
7
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This is not an unreasonable request. Many on-line websites such as "memrise.com" where I am improving my Hebrew, require a profile before you can do anything.

After all, if one is displeased with SD, all one has to do is delete the user name and the profile and "el splitto."

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updated Jul 27, 2015
posted by Daniela2041
Thank you for your contribution, Daniela ..I like the picture :) - FELIZ77, May 4, 2015
¿Supongo que "el splitto" significa = se va (One leaves) ? - FELIZ77, May 4, 2015
@ Feliz. Yup. the English expression is "let's split" or I'm going to "split." I just tried to hispanicise it a little for fun. - Daniela2041, May 4, 2015
El spllito...jejejeje - rac1, May 5, 2015
Hi I am on 'memrise "also trying to inprove my vocab! - ray76, May 5, 2015
"improve" - ray76, May 5, 2015
Hola amigos. - ian-hill, May 5, 2015
"El splitto" is a noun. The verb is "hacer boogie." - jtaniel, May 5, 2015
rofl @Jtaniel, no need to make a 'song and dance' about it, mate lol hahaha :) - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
6
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I hate to discuss realism, okay maybe that is not always true, frequently I like to play the devil's advocate, even for things I don't support.

But to win this, like anything, you need to frame things from the perspective of who you are trying to convince. Not from your own- I have seen many arguments where two people spout off at each other ad nauseum and never make any headway.

So, the owners make their money selling ads- traffic is what makes them money- the more new visits, the more people looking at the ads, the more money. I don't know what the formula is, our how their "hits" are calculated for the advertisers- new vs. return, members versus non-member looks, etc. But they do, and if they fear making signup take more steps will result in less new signups and so less advertising revenue, they won't do it.

What the convincing factor will need to be is that perhaps if we have more information, and so can give better answers, those people will come back for more answers (if that generates more revenue?). But it has to work in their business model.

Keep in mind this is a business. And our free site, that we all love so much, has to be supported somehow.

So you need to convince them it is to their benefit, not ours.

updated Jul 27, 2015
edited by bosquederoble
posted by bosquederoble
Please don't let me agree with you , I don't want to be a cynic, but I do , so I guess I am , how sad. - ray76, May 5, 2015
This is not totally true of SD. Even though it is a business, and some of what you say is true, this site is not all about money. I know these people. - rac1, May 5, 2015
Rac, I believe that you do and that it's not just about money ! - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
Thank you for your contribution, Bosque :) - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
Whether or not there motives are entirely profit driven, if it can be framed in a way that is positive for the bottom line, it has a better chance of success- I work for a non-profit- entities cease to exist if they operate at a loss. :) - bosquederoble, May 5, 2015
So regardless of the good intentions, and I have no doubt there are good intentions, they still need to watch the bottom line. :) - bosquederoble, May 5, 2015
Yes, when I came on first time, it was by chance, I filled in nothing, had I been asked to fill in personal detailes I would have thought it an intrusive advertising site.. I would have said goodbye at once. - annierats, May 5, 2015
I agree, Annie, but if you join a site to learn a language, it only makes sense. - rac1, May 5, 2015
:) - ian-hill, May 5, 2015
The owners have not make it a requirement so we cannot make it so. I agree with Annie on this one. There are many good members here who have not completed their profiles. Are we going to prevent them form asking questions and posting? - sanlee, May 5, 2015
Hi Sandy...please see my comment under Mardle's post. - rac1, May 5, 2015
OK, Looking -0-0- - sanlee, May 6, 2015
Which members have not completed a profile , i do not know one of them . - ray76, May 6, 2015
6
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I have suggested, and continue to suggest, that completing a profile be a requirement when someone joins SD. I want to ask each of you to do the same. If enough members send in their support for this idea, eventually I believe it will be implemented.

It's fine to open a thread like this to see if others feel the same and I think it's a good idea, but we all need to send these suggestions to SD through the Feedback, or by sending an email. They need to hear from you as well as me and the other moderators.

I see no reason why potential members should not want to give language details, after all, this is a language learning site.

Please send in your suggestions.

updated Jul 27, 2015
posted by rac1
Well said mate. - ray76, May 5, 2015
Thank.you for your contributing, Rac :) - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
:) - ian-hill, May 5, 2015
;) - ray76, May 6, 2015
6
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The registration process could be altered to require basic profile information before granting access to the forum.

updated Jul 27, 2015
posted by Noetol
Well said! :) - FELIZ77, May 4, 2015
Thank you for your contribution, Noetel :) - FELIZ77, May 4, 2015
:) - ian-hill, May 5, 2015
5
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Come on guys we are not asking the impossible nor the unreasonable.

I never vote for anyone who has an empty profile.

Most people reveal far more on their Facebook account.

Not me of course far to dangerous and intrusive. smile

updated Jul 31, 2015
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
Thank you Ian for your contribution :) - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
5
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We are just talking minimum requirements here:

1.gender

2 Level of proficiency in Spanish and English.

Not rocket science, really! Beyond that, they can say as little or as much as they want in their profiles....these 2 basic requirements are not deeply personal information!

Perhaps a note could be added on the forum explaining that the quality of the answers they receive and our ability to tailor them to their needs will depend on their cooperation in completing this basic information!

The bottom line is this: if we not know the native language they speak and understand nor how well they can communicate in that language they may not understand our replies and fail to be satisfied with our replies! wink They may then turn to other language websites to obtain better responses and Spanishdict could lose potential business!

updated Jul 31, 2015
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
It really is a simple request. There is no hidden agenda for asking the basics. :) - rac1, May 5, 2015
I completely agree Rac Perhaps Spanish Dict needs a brief privacy policy to show new people why we need this information since some people here seem so reluctant to reveal it! - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
See my answer. - Jubilado, May 5, 2015
Jubilado,I have read it - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
Please see my response to your post :) - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
5
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May I inject a little realism here.

We are not talking about "members that are here to

learn Spanish/English and from day one contribute to the forum , complete

lessons and make flash cards etc, they have their profile filled and we know who

they are and quickly get to know them as friends and members that are here as

much to learn for themselves as they are to help us in our quest to learn.


No this is about the "Students " that are here merely for their homework ,

often they just post a few words nothing else , and a few members

(the same few) are masters of the dark art of 'prescience' so they answer them

other students post great tracts of Spanish saying "I want this translated now.

and they get it done by these same "seers" who offer them a fish never the rod

which I think does them no good, they probably graduate with great marks

but when they enter the real world they will be ill equipped to compete with

students that have worked for their degrees.

Ray you are being cynical ! How can you know this?

Well I have been working for 8 hours a day as have the

other mods reading every post and comment ,I give a welcome to every student

and ask for their profile to be filled in mainly the language level ,after they have

posted 3 times I send them a PM asking why they do not comply ,and in

all these years not ONE student has sent me a reply ,the only replies that I

have had have been from genuine members three of whom recently are now

acting as correctors for us.


In the past few weeks I have watched students

getting more attention and answers than members that spend many hours

writing up a thread for the betterment of all members , and then get wry

comments from members that rarely if ever answer our threads , I have

reached the point where I can no longer bother posting a lesson which has

received as little as 1 answer and maximum of 4, or translation exercise with the

same dismal response .I am here to help, teach and to learn , not to watch over

students that are quite plainly here to cheat .

I think that it is time that I moved on, I can no longer fight for our members while

my ankles are being bitten from behind , we are nothing without 100% support.

updated Jul 31, 2015
edited by ray76
posted by ray76
We have a few ankle biters on here who will disagree with you Ray. Why they do I have no idea. - ian-hill, May 6, 2015
Yes mate , here they are called "White Anters" - ray76, May 6, 2015
Ah, but you are appreciated. - Mardle, May 6, 2015
5
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I have just sent feedback the following note:

In addition to any other requirements to sign up for spanishdict.com, please require of new members, before they are accepted as members able to post on the forum, that they put in their profiles:

1.gender

2 Level of proficiency in Spanish and English

I want to help new members with their questions about Spanish or English, but it is difficult to respond to them if this information is lacking.

Thank you, Jubilado, member since Feb 08, 2011

updated Jul 27, 2015
posted by Jubilado
Ditto. Thanks Jubilado. - rac1, May 5, 2015
Excellent response, Thank you very much, Jubilado for doing this and for your contribution , here :) - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
Gracias amigo. - ian-hill, May 5, 2015
I suppose I have to say, it is very difficult to respond sometimes not knowing whether English, Spanish, or another language is the primary, and not knowing what sex to make corrections to. That is fairly basic and in fact necessary. - bosquederoble, May 5, 2015
I wonder if a comment explaining why the information is being requested would be of benefit. :) - bosquederoble, May 5, 2015
5
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I find this a vexing question because for me it is a matter of common courtesy ,all the members here that contribute regularly have our names and proficiency out on show , (whether they are our real names is immaterial ) but for a new member to come on and write a few words expecting us to know what they are wanting , and without introducing themselves is just plain ignorant , I dislike it immensely. It is like walking up to someone in the street and just saying,"hey you translate this" .From my observations it is only young students that do this ,most members that are genuinely wanting to learn a language will comply to our requests for a profile . rac 1 is correct if enough members send feedback then this problem will dissipate , after all all we are asking is the most basic of human interactions namely, "-G'day my name is Ray I am a complete numbnut in spanish ".

updated Jul 27, 2015
posted by ray76
Thank you for your contribution, Ray :) - FELIZ77, May 5, 2015
Ditto :) - ian-hill, May 5, 2015