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Hube andado y había andado........ different??

Hube andado y había andado........ different??

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It's really complicated to understand the difference between:

Hube andado Había andado

I saw the translation in spanish dict, it's showing

Hube andado - had walked Había andado - had walked

Muchas gracias por su respuesta por favor

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updated Apr 24, 2015
posted by nepal15

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You probably mean 'hubo' wink (hube = I had).

The imperfect of haber (había) is used much more frequently than the preterite (hubo) especially as an auxiliary verb.

The preterite is much more likely to be used much like 'hay' is in the present tense to describe a completed past event than it is to serve as an auxiliary verb meaning had.

La semana pasada hubo una tormenta.

There was an storm last week.

Hubo dos huracanes el año pasado.

There were two hurricanes last year.

As others have mentioned you may occasionally come across hubo/had + past participle (the perfective pluperfect) in a literary work but other than that you can probably get on quite well with había to mean 'had' as an auxiliary verb.

If u do want to use it, only use the preterite of haber with a past participle (perfective pluperfect) to express an event completed just before a following past event (after apenas is a good example of this) ...

Se marcharon apenas la hubieron visto.

They left as soon as they had seen her.

But bear in mind that the simple preterite can often express the same thing and in everyday speech this is nearly always preferred.

Cuando hubieron terminado de burlarse de mi, me golpearon.

Cuando terminaron de burlarse de mi, me golpearon.

When they had finished making fun of me they hit me.

I hope that helps somewhat smile

updated Apr 22, 2015
edited by Kiwi-Girl
posted by Kiwi-Girl
Thanks for your input here. It helps make this more understandable. - Jubilado, Apr 21, 2015
Muchas gracias por un poco ayuda - nepal15, Apr 22, 2015
De nada, yr very welcome :) - Kiwi-Girl, Apr 22, 2015
I agree, Kiwi, hube andado is a form you would very rarely see, indicating this walk is well over and done with.. - annierats, Apr 22, 2015
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Sí son diferentes. / Yes, the conjugation is different.

"hube" está conjugado en pretérito (pasado) perfecto simple. Indica una acción ya terminada. / "hube" is conjugate in simple past perfect. Indicating an action completed. Example:

"Acabé mi tarea" / I finished my homework.

y "había" está conjugado en pretérito imperfecto. Indica una acción dubitativa, no se sabe si se ha terminado o no. / And "había" is conjugate in imperfect past. Indicating a uncertain action, what it's not known if it has been completed or not. Example:

"Acababa mi tarea" / I was finishing my homework.

updated Apr 22, 2015
edited by crucesignatus
posted by crucesignatus
Can you edit your answer with an example of one use versus another in Spanish? - Jubilado, Apr 21, 2015
Oh right, mate, I did it. - crucesignatus, Apr 21, 2015
Cruce, I think uou mean/we would say: I was finishing my homework. ;) :) :) - FELIZ77, Apr 21, 2015
jeje seriously mate, Thank you! :) :) lol - crucesignatus, Apr 21, 2015
muchas gracias por un poco ayuda - nepal15, Apr 22, 2015
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Hello! I see you've been a member for almost a year. I offer you 2 challenges: Please participate more in the forum and please fill out you profile so we know more about you.

Regarding your question: This is a case where English is deficient in it's usage. The member "crucesignatus" is a native Spanish speaker and so he understands intuitively the difference. Since in English the "Past Perfect" to which both of these Spanish tenses correspond has only one sense to it we have a hard time thinking in terms of a "preterite" past perfect - had walked, and an "imperfect" - perhaps having had walked (?).

Personally I don't think you will have to know how to use one versus the other unless you intend to write literary works in Spanish. It may take much time in reading these usages in Spanish literature before you can understand the difference. I won't be doing that but I certainly would not discourage you from doing so.

To other members: If I'm mistaken in my explanation here, please let me know and I will correct it.

updated Apr 22, 2015
posted by Jubilado
The authors of the book Barron's 501 Spanish verbs (7th edn) Christopher and Thodore Kendris say the same regarding the anterior preterito/preterito perfecto: eg Hubo hablado = He had spoken, that it is not often used in spoken Spanish today ... - FELIZ77, Apr 21, 2015
but just formal writing such as history and literature and that the pluperfect eg habia hablado is used in place of the first tense, or even the simple preterite. - FELIZ77, Apr 21, 2015
is used in place of the preterito perfecto I hope this helps, Jubilado :) - FELIZ77, Apr 21, 2015
Good points guys :) - Kiwi-Girl, Apr 21, 2015
Thanks Kiwi :) - FELIZ77, Apr 21, 2015
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Well, Sr. Jubilado...

Yes, I started spanishdict member one year ago, but, I'm very inactive and just use this as translation and so no... Now, I really wanted to improve my Spanish level very well..

Ways I'm improving my Spanish level:

1) Email conversation with some friends from Spain, Argentina. 2) Practicing through book "Spanish in 30 days" - Sociedad General Espanola De Libreria, S.A. 3) Frequent use of spanishdict.com, rae.es and so on...

I have a big problem though I've completed my 4th semester in 2013 in Nepal, I am weak since our last teacher was Nepali and he taught us in Nepali style... One teacher was good, who was from Andalucia but his intention was pelicula y fun, not very focused, may be, we are also not focused.

Reasons I must improve my Spanish level:

1) I am in daily conversation with one Spanish agent and some friends as I work in travel company www.vistashimalay.com

2) Translation of web page

3) Daily correspondence and to make them feel that I know Spanish and writes in good Spanish level

4) One of my neighbor friend insulted and teased me for my Spanish writing..

Hope you can help me

This is somewhat helpful but I am somewhat confused on http://www.spanishdict.com/conjugate/viajar

Hube viajado and habia viajado............

updated Apr 24, 2015
posted by nepal15
I just saw this. Please feel free to send me a personal message through my profile. Are you still needing clarification on the two tenses? First read Feliz77's comments on my post above. If that doesn't clarify it write to me and we'll have a discussion. - Jubilado, Apr 24, 2015
Sounds like you are doing a lot to improve your Spanish. If you have time you could probably be a help here as well for both Spanish and English learners. - Jubilado, Apr 24, 2015