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Neither the red one nor the blue one suit you

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Neither the red one nor the blue pne suits you

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updated Feb 12, 2015
edited by ray76
posted by patriziapugliano
Please capitalise at all times , your heading needs editing the spelling is wrong. - ray76, Feb 10, 2015
Please fill out your profile so that we may better help you . Bienvenido al foro , buena suerte amigo. - ray76, Feb 10, 2015
Please explain what it is that you require , is the above a statement or a question ? - ray76, Feb 10, 2015
It is a quistion about the use of the verb to suit, in plural, Ray. - annierats, Feb 10, 2015
or , rather , the use of neither. - annierats, Feb 10, 2015
"Neither suit you" - or "Neither O N E suitS you" - but no one would even notice when hearing it. - ian-hill, Feb 10, 2015

7 Answers

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In both situations, "neither" and "nor" refer to one thing, and therefore "suits" is correct.

Annie, in your example "either of them" it would still be "suits." The verb needs to match "either (one)" and not "them."

In this next example, "Both suit you," the verb "suit" goes with "both," which is plural.

updated Feb 12, 2015
edited by Winkfish
posted by Winkfish
Any grammar book I ever saw says both 'neither is/are' are correct, just like both 'none is/are' are correct, although logically I agree it should be 'is' in both cases... - Faldaesque, Feb 10, 2015
Were they Scottish grammar books or American grammar books? ;-) - Winkfish, Feb 10, 2015
My take came from a very stern Jesuit priest who taught English. - Winkfish, Feb 10, 2015
The reasoning is that "neither" and "either" Re referring to "one" thing. - Winkfish, Feb 10, 2015
Meant to say "are referring." - Winkfish, Feb 10, 2015
Winkfish, you're right , I think. - annierats, Feb 11, 2015
Thanks, Annie. I just keep having flashbacks to that hulking Jesuit English teacher with a wooden ruler in his hand. ;-) - Winkfish, Feb 12, 2015
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If both elements of the compound subject are singular, the "neither ... nor" construction requires "is." If both elements are plural, "are" is required. If one element is singular and one is plural, the one closer to the verb governs.

Examples:

Neither Bob nor Tom is the winner.

Neither the boys nor the girls are happy about folk dancing class.

Neither his dogs nor his cat is healthy.

Neither his cat nor his dogs are healthy.

updated Feb 12, 2015
edited by AnnRon
posted by AnnRon
Ha know, AnnRon, I think you're the winner here! You're absolutely right. (Jeez, now I'm going to have nightmares of the ghost of my Jesuit English teacher chasing me with his ruler!) - Winkfish, Feb 12, 2015
Meant to say "ya know" - Winkfish, Feb 12, 2015
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This one "pops up" in Lesson 6 of my textbook.

Here are a few examples:

"¿Quieres vino, o (quieres) cerveza?" ----No quiero ni vino ni cerveza.

Do your want wine, or beer? ----I don't want either wine nor beer.

¿Vas a comer sopa, o ensalada? -----No voy a comer ni sopa ni ensalada.

Are you going to eat soup, or salad?" ----I am not going to eat either soup nor salad.

Now to the question regarding suits.

"Neither the red one nor the blue one suits you." (Traje is masculine)

"Ni el rojo ni el azul te queda bien"

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updated Feb 11, 2015
edited by Daniela2041
posted by Daniela2041
"I don't want neither wine nor beer." is not correct amiga - English does not have double negatives. - ian-hill, Feb 10, 2015
"I don't want either wine or beer." is correct. :) - ian-hill, Feb 10, 2015
Same problem with "I am not going to eat neither soup nor salad." - ian-hill, Feb 10, 2015
That's the problem when you're thinking in Spanish and working fast. I do know about "no double" negatives in English. - Daniela2041, Feb 10, 2015
I usually teach my students about the contrast. In Spansh when you start negative "everything" after that is negative. - Daniela2041, Feb 10, 2015
I don't never drink no wine nor beer nohow. :) How's that for English using Spanish grammar? - Daniela2041, Feb 10, 2015
You sound like you're from the South, Dawlin'!! - Winkfish, Feb 10, 2015
Ian is right that there are no double negatives in English. - rac1, Feb 10, 2015
How come I ani't gettin' no votes on this here thaing? I ain't never done not quite so bad before. And I am fom the south. Cadiz, is a pretty fur piece in Southern Spain, Honey! - Daniela2041, Feb 10, 2015
Oops...so sorry about that. I just voted. - rac1, Feb 11, 2015
Don't you make no never mind, Sweetie. I just done voted for ya. - Winkfish, Feb 11, 2015
Ah reaally 'n truuly thank y'all, hear? - Daniela2041, Feb 11, 2015
daniela, I have to vote for Winkfish, because his answer is clear, besides he made me realize I was wrong. Even if you're from Cádiz.. - annierats, Feb 11, 2015
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I would say that neither suits you.

Strangely I would also say : I don't think that either of them suit you. But, this is WRONG, it should be: I don't think either of them suits you. Thank you Winkfish, you're undoubtedly right.

I can't explain this and I'm not English and may be wrong.

In the meantime , try the yellow one, it may suit you.

updated Feb 11, 2015
edited by annierats
posted by annierats
But not "try the yellow O N E it may suitS you"? Is there a clue there? - ian-hill, Feb 10, 2015
it would have to be "try the yellow O N E it may suiT you" :) - FELIZ77, Feb 10, 2015
Ah yes, no I see. - annierats, Feb 10, 2015
I bow Winkfish! - annierats, Feb 11, 2015
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Normally in English when you refer to one thing alone you use the plural form but when you refer to two or more things together you use the singular form: (Yes, I know this sounds strange/weird! Every language has its strange rules!)

For example: When ships approach Tower bridge .the cars have to stop then..the bridge (singular) rises (plural) to let the ship/s pass through.

The girl (singular) runs (plural) with great excitement to her father..but ...

the girls (plural) run with great excitement to their father,.

Another example: The bird (singular) flies (plural form of verb) south for the winter but

The birds (plural) fly (singular) south for the winter.

Now, to address your question, which one should it be: suit or suits?

This seems to be an exception to the first examples I have given,above!

Neither the red one nor the blue one suit you or Neither the red one nor the blue one suits you

I would say the first example:: Neither the red or blue one suits you.

The blue (or red) one doesn't suit you (The words doesn't 'and 'suit' go together here; you wouldnt say doesn't and suitS)) ' Neither the blue or the red one suits you

However, it is possible that both forms in this situation are correct . I would be interested to know what Ian Hill has to say I think he teaches or has taught English as a foreign language before ( I think he might be a TEFL trained teacher)

When you are trying to work check/out which one is correct as a native I find that you have to say to yourself: Neither suit you vs neither suits you (?) and miss out the extra words inbetween) So often we native speakers use these grammatical constructiosn without even thinking about them so it seems strange to analayse our decisions!

I hope that Sir Ian Hill joins our discussion concerning this topic since I think he is a Trained T.E.F.L teacher and has taught English as a foreign language teacher no pressure, Ian! lol hahaha (if this is true!)

I hope this helps smile

updated Feb 10, 2015
edited by FELIZ77
posted by FELIZ77
The odd thing is that either sentence would pass by without comment. - ian-hill, Feb 10, 2015
A simple rule to remember is either - or and Neither - Nor. - ian-hill, Feb 10, 2015
and neither refers to a plural and either to one of two. - ian-hill, Feb 10, 2015
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Both are correct. I would usually singularise the verb, but this is only personal preference. Also, 'neither' can be pronounced to rhyme with either 'knee-their' or 'nigh-their' (so can 'either').

updated Feb 10, 2015
edited by Faldaesque
posted by Faldaesque
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which one is correct? the first one or the second one? Is the verb SUIT the third person singular or plural?

updated Feb 10, 2015
posted by patriziapugliano
What is your mother tongue , do you want to learn English ? fill out your profile so we can help you mate . Neither the the red one nor the blue suit you , buy a raincoat mate. - ray76, Feb 10, 2015
Ray, obviously she want s to learn English. This is a grammar question. - annierats, Feb 10, 2015
She ? how do you know? - ian-hill, Feb 10, 2015
Annierats , obviously you have powers greater than mine , I am trying to find out so that we can help we cannot second guess . - ray76, Feb 10, 2015
Annierats , once we have established the members language and what it is the want we then go ahead in the correct manner and offer them all the help and expertise that SD has at their disposal , these are simple procedures encountered at all schools. - ray76, Feb 10, 2015