Reevaluate - Jimmy1978's post
With all due respect, I do not think Jimmy1978's comment should have been closed. His argument is viable. As I do not agree with Jimmy from time and time again, in this case, I see a credible question. This should be reevaluated and opened once again. There was no offensive content what-so-ever.
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Being a mod is a thankless job and one that I would never volunteer for. So thank you to those of you who have made that committment. I have had my issues and so I can understand both sides but still I have to say thank you to all the mods for doing a job that I would not care to do.
As a great abuser of power , and hungry for more I must respond .
The post was closed not because of Jimmy or what the dear fellow said ,
It was closed because the comments were becoming far too heated in a
way where tempers may have flared out of control. they may not have ,
of course , but experience has shown over the years that it is better to err
on the side of caution . So if you want to berate , beat or castigate me please
do so , but in a manner of friendly controlled flagellation , but be advised I
am a self flagellator of many years standing therefore inured of a tender whipping ,
so lay on the lathe with relish , ask Jimmy for help . Actually Jimmy and I have a
warm and healthy relationship , had I been abroad at that ungodly hour I would
joined into the discussion , I also am a student of English as is he , although my
degree was earned in another time , and perhaps another world .
In conclusion dear members please realise and understand that the "Mod Squad"
are working tirelessly 24 x 7 on your behalf , they may not get it correct on every
instance but, they never ever purposely close a post or delete a comment
without first discussing the whys and wherefores , and then only with a two mod
agreement , so hurry and berate away before I close my own post for inciting violence
on a person , albeit an old defenceless and possibly witless one.
Excellent ,now lets go learn and have some fun. However,not without first thanking our moderators for all they do. (Round of applause). May the force be with you.
My friends .. people who know me well also know that I am a philanthrope and an altruistic being who likes helping others .. So most of my informative posts are meant to serve that purpose (not to offend any one) .. If I might have ignorantly offended some one due to perhaps an oversight while drafting my post I apologized unconditionally and removed that matter at once ,,,
My humble request to every one is to look at the positive side of the coin (that some one is trying to help without any selfish motive or interest) and if one can't be appreiciative of that one should atleast refrain from being disrespectful (knowingly or unknowingly)..
Yesterday I made my mind to just walk away and sent a farewell message to my good friends on SD. After looking at this post however and after talknig to many of my friends thgrough PMs ,, I am staying .. (though my staying or leaving doesn't make a difference ,, as I am just a little diminutive fish in a big ocean of many thousand profoundly learned members ).. So I declare those farewell notes null and void (void ab-initio) .. hehehe ..
Being a moderator is not easy and not fun most of the time. I thank all the moderators, but in the same token, I have seen that in some other forums there is an explanation of why the thread is being closed, something that here and most of other forums don't do.
What do you think? Just a brief explanation would have sufficed like "thread being closed because the discussion is getting out of hand" or something like that.
From then on everything has to be done through PM, if necessary.
Imagine if, in the middle of a debate, any of the members of the US congress called Israel and apartheid state or capitalism the tool for imperial domination of others' human and physical resources.
Actual rightness or wrongness are of no matter any longer when you call things for what they are or might be, and that is very obvious; (political) correctness, OTOH, rules across the different boards and works as a wobbly grounding to the different facets of interaction between people, hence the drama of seemingly petty grammatical skirmishes is tantamount to the diplomatic rows nurtured by the doublespeaking rulership that disguises reality under the lousy cloak of scripted language. Everybody has rules after all, don't they?
So I think that the reevaluation of the issue is of no use. Moderators are here as enforcers of the rules that haven't been set by them, not only as forum participants; some subjects seem to be too distracting for the language leaning process after all.
As my response to Jimmy started all this I feel entitled to make a comment here.
One thing that Jimmy wrote was this.
"Ian you need to behave in a more mature and responsible way .. your job as a moderator is to respectfully handle the issues and maintain a congenial atmosphere for all (and not to settle scores by unduly insulting the members time and again) - jimmy1978 "
I have no idea what "old scores" he is talking about - so I doubt anyone else does, and regard it therefore as a slur on my character.
- and I don't remember insulting members "time and again".
It is a pity when things get out of hand in such a way.
Other mods and I discussed this thread privately for a long time before deciding it was best to "close" it.
We don't do that often.
Best regards to every one.
Ian
I probably should not post on this, and probably should take my normal tact of just avoiding any controversy and keeping my mouth shut. But at times I am unable to restrain myself.
So for the current controversy I will say that I think the current moderators are doing a good job, and seem to take a generally respectful, fair and balanced approach. I do think Jimmy is truly trying to be helpful and positive, and is not trying cause problems, but I do think his very enthusiastic approach is somewhat offsetting to some people who are not used to this manner of relating. I did even see once where he tried to correct the Spanish advice given by a native Spanish speaker with a tone that seemed to indicate that he thought the individual was a Spanish learner (I personally never comment on anyone's answers without first looking at their profile). Nonetheless I think his comments are made with the best of intentions and never with an intent to offend anyone.
That being said, I have to comment on the comments that there have never been issues with the moderators.
At one point Jubilado felt it necessary to post this:
Of course without context it is difficult for anyone who does not remember the issue to have any clue what I am talking about, or what the message of that post truly was. Oh, well.
I will say in all the posts that I have read by Jubilado, he seems to be an incredibly bright, thoughtful, polite, helpful, and fair and balanced person; one of the most so I have encountered. If a moderator succeeds in making him take the side of the other party, I would always make the initial assumption that that is the right side.
That being said, I think at this point that situation (the one that got Jubilado involved) has been rectified. And perhaps it does nothing but give me personal satisfaction in raising it again.
My only other comment would be that I think maintaining a positive tone is very important to the health of the site. I for one tend to cease posting when I don't like the general tone of things, and I suspect I am probably not alone in this.
I've read the post, and I agree with you, but why are you surprised? Moderators abuse their power in every forum I've been so far.
I wish to thank all the Moderators for the wonderful job they do on this forum.Que Dios te bendiga.
I agree that further comments should not be made on a post when it is closed.However, I think we should be allowed to view such posts so that we can learn from them. The way it is now,those of us who did not get to see certain posts before they were closed,do not know why they were closed in the first place.
Saludos.
