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Subjunctive Interaction

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I noticed that in the past few weeks, there have been quite a few posts concerning the subjunctive, and how to use it. So I thought I would do this post where everyone can contribute what they know about the subjunctive, but at the same time, learn something new and helpful yourself. I know that I am struggling with this, but I think my reason for it, (or at least a main one) is that I have quite a bit of trouble reading in Spanish. If I could understand what was being said, I think it would be much easier for me to figure out when to use the subjunctive verse the indicative or infinitive or subjunctive.

So here is the starting piece of information.

All of these verbs and expressions signal that the subjunctive should be used. I hope that at least a few of you find this helpful.

Subjunctive to express doubt and denial

No creer – to not believe

Dudar – to doubt

Negar – to deny

No pensar – to not think

No estar seguro/a (de) to not be sure (of)

Es dudoso – it's doubtful

No es cierto – it's not certain

Es increíble – it's incredible

No es verdad – it's not true

Subjunctive to express feelings and emotions.

Alegrarse – to be glad

Enojar – to anger

Esperar – to hope

Estar contento/a – to be happy

Lamentar – to regret

Molestar – to bother

Sentir – to regret

Sorprender – to surprise

Temer – to fear

Tener miedo – to be afraid

Es bueno/malo/mejor – it's good/bad/better

Es extraño – it's strange

Es facíl/dificil – it's easy/difficult

Es fantástico – it's fantastic

Es lamentable – it's regrettable

Es una lástima – it's a shame

Es (i)lógico – it's (il)logical

Es (im)posible – it's (im)possible

Es ridículo – it's ridiculous

Es soprendente – it's surprising/

When you are posting, feel free to ask a question. My hope for this thread is that it will be very interactive, where people can give their knowledge, but can also ask questions. I may have more to post about this later, but for now, this is it! Let the interaction begin!

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updated Apr 30, 2014
posted by actorgirl
Muy Bien! Very useful information! - 00ffada9, Apr 16, 2014
Gracias amigo. :) - actorgirl, Apr 16, 2014
You have another vote amiga...very nice. - 007c5fc1, Apr 16, 2014
Thank you for this useful list of subjunctive "triggers." :) - Findy, Apr 16, 2014
Maybe you should mention que is the trigger for the subj. espero que, dudo que etc - warrenmarshall, Apr 16, 2014
Would you be so kind as to do that in your own post? :) - actorgirl, Apr 16, 2014
now this is some good stuff actorgirl and deserves a real vote .. good job - 00b055e0, Apr 19, 2014
@marshawarren .. that aint always the case .. look at this example "nos gusta descubrir restaurantes donde Podamos comer por poco dinero" .. do u see que any where in this example ,, so please never be in that wrong notion that que would trigger the use - 00b055e0, Apr 19, 2014
que in spanish can be used as a conjunction and also as a relative pronoun ,, and one has to be able to identify its actual role in the sentence .. I am a little busy right now .. we will talk more about this later .. so bye for now .. regards - 00b055e0, Apr 19, 2014
and subjunctive aint as simple as remembring the triggers .. it is an extremely intricate subject , we will discuss on this later,, gota go right now .. but nice effort actor girl ,, appreciate your effort ,, I will see what I can do to contribute . - 00b055e0, Apr 19, 2014

7 Answers

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This is such a big subject..

It helps quite a lot if you think that the subjunctive normally needs a change of subject, i.e, two people and a 'que' in between them.

And a feeling of ' might' or ' may' .

But basically, it's best to avoid it! You may laugh, but in conversations, unless you're sure it's got to be in the subjunctive, use the indicative. If you use the subjunctive when not needed, people may well think you wishywashy or not understand what you mean. The indicative is always understood, even if incorrect. It is very useful to learn some set frases: sea lo que sea, haga lo que haga..diga lo que diga.

After that, learn the forms that are grammatically needed first. I would never venture into any optional subjunctive, there is so much of it that is simply grammatically needed.

Oddly , I found it easier to understand it in the past tense because there is huge human need to say what might have happened if only we hadn't done this or if only we had done that( ojalá).

For that, the subjunctive is an excellent tool.

This may not help anybody else, but there is no quickfix. ¡ Ojalá!

updated Apr 17, 2014
posted by annierats
Thanks annie. I will not dwell on it :-) - 007c5fc1, Apr 16, 2014
Thank you for sharing this annie. I know that it is a huge subject, but I thought that it may help a few people (myself included) understand it a litte more. :) - actorgirl, Apr 16, 2014
Well, I started on findy's tape, but the man spoke in very slow Englsish, so I had to give up.. - annierats, Apr 16, 2014
My thoughts precisely. Funny how it amounts to sort of "When in doubt, use the indicative". The mistake is never as big as, say, taking the wrong turn on ser/estar and saying something completely different. - Manity, Apr 17, 2014
I agree Manity, my worst misunderstandings in Spain have been due to using the wrong word, or mishearing totally. Pasada mañana is a terrible example, I didn´t know about it and only heard mañana, hence turned up on the wrong day. - annierats, Apr 17, 2014
Ouch, haha, exactly :) - Manity, Apr 17, 2014
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Back in August, Tosh sent me this link to the video lessons on the Subjunctive in Light Speed Spanish: Lesson 1 - The Subjunctive.

Me alegro de que te hayan gustado los videos. Ah, el subjuntivo!

The first 8 are present subjunctive, and videos 8 and 9 are past subjunctive.

Here is the playlist.

Son muy útiles y muy graciosos, también.

updated Apr 17, 2014
edited by Tosh
posted by Tosh
Thanks for contributing Tosh! :) - actorgirl, Apr 16, 2014
Thanks, Tosh! I only watched the first 8. I'll have to get to #9. I've watched a few of their other videos and have LsS on FB now - lots of fun conversations there too. - Findy, Apr 17, 2014
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Hola, actorgirl! Back in August, Tosh sent me this link to the video lessons on the Subjunctive in Light Speed Spanish: Lesson 1 - The Subjunctive. There are 7 or 8 of them, each about 10 minutes long. I listened and took notes so I could refer back, and have found these really helpful.

Buena suerte, a todos! enter image description here

updated Apr 17, 2014
posted by Findy
Thank you Findy...I'm going to have a look. - 007c5fc1, Apr 16, 2014
Thanks Findy!!! - actorgirl, Apr 16, 2014
It just shows, I got even more conffused starting to look at the first one.. But it helped you and I think that's how it is, one has to find whatever method helps and eventually we get beter at it. A bit, anyway. - annierats, Apr 17, 2014
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I found this PDF that I am working on reading, and it looks like it is going to be quite helpful. I would encourage y'all to check it out.

That should be quite helpful, yes. One thing I just happened to see when looking through it:

¡Qué tengas un buen día! - Have a good day!

That "qué" shouldn't have an accent.

Since it's kinda short for "Espero que tengas un buen día", you can remember that none of those types of expressions have an accent on "que".

¡Qué interesante! - now that one, yes, does have an accent...

updated Apr 21, 2014
edited by Tosh
posted by Tosh
thanks for pointing this out Tosh! - actorgirl, Apr 21, 2014
yes u are right ,, que with the accent is an interogative pronoun and this one is a cinjunction .. which is merely a contraction of espero que or ojalå que etc. I havent read the pdf yet .. but great observation indeed - 00b055e0, Apr 21, 2014
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Just to throw a cat amongst the pigeons those so called 'triggers' don't always work. Of course they can provide a good place to start, I would just encourage learners not to just learn those triggers and then never progress any further. The subjunctive is a very complex part of Spanish grammar but used well it adds a richness to the way you communicate. If you are prepared to put in the effort to get a good grip on it and perhaps one day master it, it will be well worth the effort.

updated Apr 19, 2014
posted by Kiwi-Girl
Yes, because if "que" alone was a trigger, the subjunctive would follow "creo que". ;) - Tosh, Apr 17, 2014
Thank you for pointing that out Kiwi, it is important for us to know that. :) and thank you for the helpful resources. I really appreciate you contributing to this thread. :) - actorgirl, Apr 17, 2014
de nada :) - Kiwi-Girl, Apr 17, 2014
I agree completely with Kiwi.. learning subjunctive around these triggers is like swimming in a pool with no water .. hehe ,, people have so many misconceptions about subjunctive ,, - 00b055e0, Apr 19, 2014
it aint very difficult provided one follows the correct approach .. so best of luck to all the friends with subjunctive, - 00b055e0, Apr 19, 2014
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I found this PDF that I am working on reading, and it looks like it is going to be quite helpful. I would encourage y'all to check it out. smile

updated Apr 30, 2014
posted by actorgirl
vote up for your PDF too .. I havent read it yet but the effort is worth a vote .. keep it up - 00b055e0, Apr 19, 2014
are u done reading this PDF and was it useful ? if u found it useful then may be even I will tale a gander at it ??? - 00b055e0, Apr 30, 2014
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You might find these Spanish Dict Resources on the subjunctive to be useful.

updated Apr 17, 2014
posted by Kiwi-Girl
thank you. these look like they will be helpful to us who are struggling. :) - actorgirl, Apr 17, 2014