My Dog is a nomad : "Deambular & Vagar" (lets practice)

Question

Hello friends ,,

Both of these verbs (Deambular and Vagar) mean the same as per the dictionary .. which is ;: to wander or saunter or mosey around etc. For example : My dog keeps wandering around or sauntering around or gadding around the street all day ..

Now as per my research both the verbs are intransitive verbs (cant be used with a direct object) ,, For example .. My dog is a vagabond and keeps sauntering in the streets all day .. (vagabond/nomad used figuratively to describe his predilection to wandering around) .. In Spanish I think I can say .. Mi perro es un vagabundo y deambula en las calles todo el día/tiempo (If you all notice, there is no object associated with the subject "my dog")..

I could not see any examples for either of these two verbs on SD dictionary section so I welcome you all to make your own sentences using both the verbs so we all (beginners and intermediates) could practice together and I request the advanced and fluent members to help us with some nice examples .. .. thanks and regards .. Jimmy

This has been an interesting post to say the least jimmy. I hope I have it correct now. :-) - 007c5fc1, Apr 16, 2014

thanks Margh ,, I wish I could help u more but I am not an expert yet .. sorry :( - 00b055e0, Apr 17, 2014

Answer 1

Me gusta vagar deambular por fuera de los senderos trillados donde todos se pasean.

senderos trillados .. wow .. that is some nice vocab .. thanks for sharing Amiga - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

Me gusta vagar por caminos muy transitados/muy pedregosos ( last one, assuming a path completely covered with tiny pebbles cuz ' trillado ' also means ' broken into small pieces ' or ' extremely worn ' ). Regards. - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

wow .. so cool - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

muchas gracias jctv... lo he cambiado...¿esta versión es correcta? - 007c5fc1, Apr 15, 2014

Thank you jimmy. My fingers were getting ahead of my thoughts or vice versa...'off the beaten path' is what I wanted to say. I hope I have it written correctly this time. - 007c5fc1, Apr 15, 2014

seems correct to me, but JCTV is our expert ,, lets wait for his advice ..hehe - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

Hi marg ( may I use marg ? ). Well, the translated idea for the spanish meaning of your new one is that you love wandering outside, here and there, excepting paths, so the whole idea is that you love wandering thru the meadows or something. - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

I'll be back soon, hold on. - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

Hi jctv...of course you may. Thank you. I'll have to tell you in English because I'm not doing it well in Spanish. I want to say that I like wandering 'off the beaten path' which means in English 'where not many people go' or 'out of the way places'. - 007c5fc1, Apr 15, 2014

well Marg i completely understand what you are trying to say ,, but fuera or afuera i think is mostly used for "outside" like outside the room, outside the country etc. hmm let me think - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

i just found an example for u on SD .. "a street off the main road -> una calle que sale de la principal" - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

So may be you may try employing "salir plus de" in your sentence to denote the concept "off" - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

but this salir de can't be used in your sentence .. ohh Lord .. this translation from English to Spanish can really be a nightmare some times ,, hehe - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

Ok Marg, very interesting stuff, I think this one is an effective link, like a bridge, between the logic for both languages, something very rare to find in texts or similar. Well, I'll try to explain a few things. - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

The most important is the preposition, so if you want to point to the fact you don't like to use such common paths, just use this preposition: por. However, if you want to point the fact that you love exploring zenotes, then u'might use the following: - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

No me gusta andar por donde todo el mundo anda, or, if you want to make see yourself as an explorer, you can use: Me gusta deambular por fuera de los senderos. However, your last change is pretty cool, it just instead of " trillado " you could use... - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

You could use: ''que usan todos'' or ''que todos usan'' or ''por donde todos andan/caminan/se pasean'', and then your need for adventure will be very clear for any reader. Regards. - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

thanks jctv - 00b055e0, Apr 16, 2014

jctv ,, is there some difference between the words camino and sendero? because both mean path as per the dictionary.. and why can't trillado be used in this context ,, just want to learn and understand .. thanks - 00b055e0, Apr 16, 2014

Hola jctv...muchas gracias. Pienso que lo entiendo. Es esto correcto ahora? - 007c5fc1, Apr 16, 2014

what an incredible picture! :) - actorgirl, Apr 16, 2014

Hi actorgirl...thank you. It's a cave at Cahal Pech Belize. Cahal Pech in the Mayan language means 'place of fleas'. - 007c5fc1, Apr 16, 2014

Your last one is much more accurate than the prior ones, Marg, in fact, That's how mind works, in spanish terms, to represent in words, most of times, the concept of exclusion: '' por fuera de ''. - jctv, Apr 17, 2014

Ejemplo: El auto se estrelló por fuera de la carretera / The car crashed out of the road. - jctv, Apr 17, 2014

Ejemplo: Prefiero liberar mi mente para estar por fuera de cualquier problema / I prefer to set my mind free in order to avoid any trouble. - jctv, Apr 17, 2014

As you can see, ' out of the road ' and ' avoid ' are different instances for exclusion, and the concept for exclusion can be turned into words same way: ' por fuera de '. - jctv, Apr 17, 2014

There's also another set of alternatives to say ' donde todos se pasean ', in order to turn yours into a 100% understandable sentence... - jctv, Apr 17, 2014

But the rational process related with the comprehension for the concept of exclusion in Spanish is much more important from my pov, well done Marg, regards. - jctv, Apr 17, 2014

thank u my frend - 00b055e0, Apr 17, 2014

Gracias jctv. Algún día conquistaré todos. - 007c5fc1, Apr 18, 2014

Answer 2

Here is my attempt, and probably a poor one. Please correct it!

Los gángsteres deambulan los callejones por la noche.

The gangsters wander the streets at night.

Thanks for participating Actor Girl .. It seems ok to me but may be there is a preposition needed between deambulan and callejones, but i am not too sure - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

I think it should be "Los gángsteres deambulan de los calles/callejones por la noche - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

and callejones doesn't have an accent mark .. it does when it is stated as a singular but once you use it as a plural the accent goes away (there is a logic behind it) - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

the logic is that if the word ends in N, S or a vowel the stress (accentuation) by default lies on the second syllable from the last .. so in the plural the accent automatically goes where it needs to be (in concurrence with the singular) - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

Los gángsteres deambulan de noche por los callejones, los gángsteres deambulan en los callejones por la noche, los gángsteres deambulan en las calles por la noche, los gángsteres deambulan por la noche en las calles. Regards. - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

Ohh thank heavens you are here JCTV .. I was about to message you to wheel you in .. hehe .. you are always a great help .. bingo - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

and also thanks for posting that whole big list of examples on my request .. I have been too busy so haven't had the time to check it out yet .. but will do shortly :) - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

If anyone sees this: why do I need a preposition? I am confused!!! - actorgirl, Apr 16, 2014

cos this aint english dear, well, in english also there is a preposition needed for example .. the gangsters wander on the streets at night - 00b055e0, Apr 17, 2014

but we just omit it while speaking ,, but technically u need a preposition in English too ,, the noun street is the object of the preposition and not an object of the verb wander ..so a preposition is needed to establish a relationship - 00b055e0, Apr 17, 2014

between the verb "to wander" and the noun "streets" - 00b055e0, Apr 17, 2014

Answer 3

I'll try.

Les gusta a mi novio y yo vagar en el parque los sábados.

My boyfriend and I like to wander in the park on Saturdays.

Good example .. but the indirect object pronoun is wrong .. it should be "a mi novio y yo nos gusta vagar en el parque los sabados " .. but well done .. vote up for your try :) - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

and also in this context ,, i think a more suitable verb would be pasear (to walk leisurely).. - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

Actually it would be "A mi novio y A MÍ NOS gusta vagar en el parque los sábados" - NanakaTsípekua, Apr 15, 2014

exactly .. that is absolutely correct - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

Answer 4

Mi Mascota Leo, siempre sigue deambulando en el parque el que está delante de mi edificio de apartamentos y a veces tengo que correr detras de él para llevarlo de vuelta a casa ..

OMG nice2meet'u, Leo. Fixes: ...Leo, se la pasa vagando en el parque que está al frente de mi edidicio... ( the rest is pretty cool, well done, Jimmy ) - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

thanks jctv .. I want to say .. Leo keeps wandering (so can I use pasar to translate KEEP as you stated above) - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

Hi Jimmy, well, it's just much more accurate when using ' se la pasa / se mantiene ' when referring something that happens over and over again instead of ' siempre sigue ', because the ' logic boundaries ' are very similar for both words. - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

'Siempre sigue' is somehow redundant, now that 'always', for us, is almost the same than 'sigue', 'sigue' is somehow related with the past of an action, with something that has been happening lots of times before and surely will happen in the future... - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

So, for us, 'sigue' is more like a link between past and future, so if you want to say 'sigue', there's no need to say 'siempre', it's somehow implicit in 'sigue'. Regards, and again, well done. - jctv, Apr 15, 2014

ok JCTV .. Thanks much .. but why the reflexive of Pasar and mantener ,, any logic behind that ?? - 00b055e0, Apr 15, 2014

don't have to wonder what you look like...and Leo is a big dog! :) - actorgirl, Apr 15, 2014

what do I look like? a monster may be - 00b055e0, Apr 16, 2014

I dint quite understand the first part of ur comment - 00b055e0, Apr 16, 2014

Well, you look.... nice couch ! lol, just kidding, ok so.. why the reflexive of Pasar and mantener... man, ok, check the following: - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

in Spanish, almost every verb has a 'intersection' with almost every other verbs, like 'pasar' and 'mantener', and, with the reflexive, the meaning of the verb gets locked, this is... - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

this is, the reflexive form makes the verb fit into a very specific action, so, when using the reflexive form of 'pasar', there are only 2 options: - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

and what are those two options ? if I may ask .. thanks for ur help - 00b055e0, Apr 16, 2014

First meaning: To give ( ejemplo: él toma la bola y se la pasa a su compañero de cuarto / he picks the ball and then he gives the ball to his roomate ) - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

Second meaning: to specify some action that has been happening over and over again in the past. - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

And, in the case for 'mantener', such options are: - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

1st meaning: Unchanged, remain still, motionless, this is, when there's no change for a situation, an action. Ejemplo: El auto se mantiene inmovil / The car remains immobile. - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

2st meaning: To feed, ejemplo: El pajarito se mantiene al comer gusanos / The bird feeds itself when eating worms. - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

Example for the 2nd meaning of 'se la pasa': Leo se la pasa vagando en el parque / Leo keeps wandering in the park - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

There are another alternative meanings for the prior ones but, Jimmy, let's take this the easy way, keep this in mind, that's the key: - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

Reflexive verbs can have different meanings, and different verbs can have common instances. Nice dreams, regards. - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

thanks soo much ,,, I think I understand a little better nlw - 00b055e0, Apr 16, 2014

now* - 00b055e0, Apr 16, 2014

my friend ,, are u from spain or the americas - 00b055e0, Apr 16, 2014

americas, jimmy. - jctv, Apr 16, 2014

@jimmy in response to my comment way up on the mountain. :) No, I was not saying you look like a monster. I was just saying that now I know what you look like! and that Leo is quite big! :) - actorgirl, Apr 16, 2014

@jctv. lol, that was a good one. If I would have made it there first, I would have done something similar. :) Thanks for speaking for me! :P JK Jimmy!!! - actorgirl, Apr 16, 2014

whatever :( - 00b055e0, Apr 17, 2014

@jctv ... thats cool ,, I like the americas .. I have been to many countries there ,, callao and lima peru, antofagasta and arica, chile, domenican republic , guadlajara, mexico, puerto cabillo venezueala etc. - 00b055e0, Apr 17, 2014

Quite interesting, Jimmy, which one of those is your favorite ? I'm from Colombia, btw. - jctv, Apr 18, 2014

no my friend ,, I have never been to colombia ,, and it has been a very long time now - 00b055e0, Apr 18, 2014

it was around 17 years back ,, dont really remember much now ..hehe - 00b055e0, Apr 18, 2014

Mmmm well 17 years... yeah that was much ago, it seems to me you're from... England ? - jctv, Apr 18, 2014

no bro, I am an indian .. am from new delhi india - 00b055e0, Apr 18, 2014

haha .. but what made u think that I am from England - 00b055e0, Apr 18, 2014

OMG dunno, well, you have ' the english look ' from my pov, did anyone told you before that you look like an englishman ? That's how it looks like from here, Jimmy. - jctv, Apr 19, 2014

my friend , india is a mix of people with different genomes .. I may have the genes of the ancient aryan race (who I think came from outside and were greatest of warriorsl) all the great Indian epics like Mahabharata are all based on Aryans .. - 00b055e0, Apr 20, 2014

and I think I am from the Aryan gene pool .. hahahahhaha ,, in ancient times 4 different tyle of people who settled in India .. Aryans (I think from europe) , dravidians (with dark skin complexion), mongolians (who had the typical asian looks) - 00b055e0, Apr 20, 2014

and I dont remember the third one ,, hehe .. so may be that is why I look like hercules ., hahaha - 00b055e0, Apr 20, 2014

did u see my other pic which I posted earlier? - 00b055e0, Apr 20, 2014

Ok Jimmy, got it, India is pretty cool in terms of theology, some sort of heavily mystic country. I remember reading some from Bhagavad Gita during my teens. - jctv, Apr 21, 2014

... and I did not understood even a pickle. I just felt like traveling towards Saturn, like being just in front of the unknown. - jctv, Apr 21, 2014

I think Krishna is a very friendly and accesible god, far away from such pageantry and selfish religion as the catholicism on itself it is. Yay for that. - jctv, Apr 21, 2014

Nope, I haven't seen your pic yet, where's your post ? - jctv, Apr 21, 2014

yeah I love vhagwat geeta .. if u dint understand bhagwat geeta you might want to watch mahabharata on youtube with spanish or english subtitles .. I will send u a link .. I m sure u will enjoy the ancient epic - 00b055e0, Apr 22, 2014

Answer 5

El domingo pasado creí que iba a deambular por un parque con mi esposa y nuestros hijos, pero en vez de esto subimos una montaña de 1500 pies.

Last Sunday I thought that I was going to traipse around a park with my wife and our children, but instead we ascended a 1500 foot mountain.

cool .. espero que se hubieran disfrutado la excursión familiar a la montaña :) - 00b055e0, Apr 16, 2014

Pues, sí, pero ahora me duelen mucho las piernas. :D - bosquederoble, Apr 16, 2014

hehe ,, ok ,, por favor ponte alguna pomada en las piernas para calmar el dolor ,, buena suerte - 00b055e0, Apr 17, 2014