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When can you say you speak another language?

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Technically I can speak Spanish, but it's very halting, uncomfortable, and unpleasant for me. I don't know. Am I technically just monolingual with a lot of words in another language in my head?

I'm definitely not bilingual but I can't be entirely monolingual either, since I've had Spanish in my mind for years. But I feel like I can't speak it right. I just feel stupid trying.

I wouldn't ever tell anyone I speak Spanish. But if you can speak a language slowly and uncomfortably, is that still speaking the language?

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updated Nov 23, 2014
posted by lisaantonella
Yes it is amiga :) - ian-hill, Jan 5, 2014

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I personally feel that you need to decide what you mean by 'speaking a language' to answer that question. Most of us here can speak Spanish a little, so if you consider the mere ability to produce a few Spanish sentences as 'speaking', we all speak Spanish to some degree raspberry

Speaking a language, to me, means conversing with natives with neither of you having to say copius amounts of 'Uh, what?/Como dice' or 'Excuse me?'. I read somewhere that there are three stages to actually saying that you speak a language:

1) Saying your first correct sentence without using any references.

2) Understanding and speaking multiple sentences without halting overmuch.

3) Understanding and cracking jokes.

I think you are considering language speaking to be some sort of high honor that is bestowed only on the select few. I seriously suggest saying 'Hablo un poco de español' to anyone who asks you whether you do speak Spanish and then letting loose with whatever you know. Trust me, I have said 'I speak some English' to every foreigner I have met and they are always pleased, even when I mess up my tenses (especially past simple and perfect, lol) and stuff like that.

Point: I'd be gratified if any foreigner ever said hello to me in my mother tongue. It'd make me all warm and fuzzy inside and I would probably spend the rest of my life talking about that foreigner who 'spoke my language' smile

updated Nov 23, 2014
edited by Helado_eclectico
posted by Helado_eclectico
Oh dear. I really got carried away up there, hahaha :) - Helado_eclectico, Jan 4, 2014
You're so right, I would feel so good if some foreigner approached speaking my native langauge too. - samrodrigue_z, Jan 5, 2014
You're fine. - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
I agree with you about cracking jokes, but sadly I've never noticed tht the English go warm and fuzzy inside when I speak their language.. - annierats, Jan 5, 2014
You aren't just measuring skin temperature, are you? You gotta shove that thermometer down their throats xD - Helado_eclectico, Jan 5, 2014
On a serious note, I don't think speaking English impresses people either, but I guess that's natural. Since it's the international language and lingua franca of the web, you are expected to know it by default. - Helado_eclectico, Jan 5, 2014
Try us unitedstateians. We'll go warm and fuzzy. : ) - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
What is you mother tongue? - chileno, Jan 6, 2014
Annie, I've never known the English to go "warm and fuzzy" when I speak their language either, and mine is fluent American. Maybe that's the problem. lol - Daniela2041, Nov 23, 2014
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Well, from my background, when you become familiarized and comfortable with the language and you can produce specific speech for specific situations, naturally, you speak this language. There is a deep hole between "Speaking the language" and "Speaking as a native speaker of the language".

I wasn't brought up speaking English or Spanish, but I was taught English since kindergarten and my native language is Portuguese. I had a deep and profound interest in English throughout my teenage years and today. I feel very comfortable with English, I speak it and write and read in it everyday. It's definitely my second language, and I'm most definetely proficient at it. Although, I don't speak it as a native-speaker, it might be close to one, but not exactly like one, my Portuguese has influenced my English, and I've never set foot at any English-speaking country for more than a month. Overall, I speak English and I do speak it very well. I had wanted in the past to speak EXACTLY like an american, but I gave up since it is quite stupid an idea 'cause I'm not american at all.

You should not hinder yourself with these ideas. You'll never speak like a native Spanish-speaker, but you could attain higher levels of proficiency at Spanish and get really close to one. You could even get to speak Spanish better in quality of speech and grammar than a native Spanish speaker. I say it 'cause I know some americans that live here in Brazil and speak Portuguese better than 80% of the brazilians. They don't speak Portuguese like a brazilian, but they do speak Portuguese very well, in sound and everything else.

lisaantonella, don't give up, you can do it, you can overcome this problem, and speak Spanish as well as any other Hispanohablante.

updated Aug 21, 2014
edited by samrodrigue_z
posted by samrodrigue_z
But here's the sticking point: I'm not a Hispanohablante. I'm a hardcore Anglophone, and maybe accepting that is the first step toward getting better at Spanish...? - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
And holy crap am I ever dull in Spanish. Making jokes? Peh. I'm lucky if I can get by without twisting my tongue into knots. Never mind that I have yet to speak it in a real conversation. Amazing. 17 years of Spanish in my head and not a conversation. - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
Excellent post. Thank you. - gringojrf, Jan 5, 2014
I think, as long as you speak Spanish as an additional language, and use it at a regular basis, you are a Non-native Hispanohablante. I'm a Non-native English speaker, and I'm still an English speaker like others, natives or non-natives. - samrodrigue_z, Jan 6, 2014
I don't use it. My Spanish vocabulary...a good metaphor is how I've got this amazing rifle and no idea how to use it. That's what my Spanish vocab is. All these words I know do no good if I can't use em. - lisaantonella, Jan 7, 2014
Sam, woudl you be willing to help me improve my basic Brazilian Portuguese, please? I could help you with improving your English if you feel that would help /If you need it :) - FELIZ77, Aug 21, 2014
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Creo que eso nos pasa a todos, yo creo que nunca hablare Ingles de forma que no me sienta ridículo, pero me gusta hablarlo, aunque un nativo se ria de mi acento español jaja pero también estoy seguro de que me ayudaran a hablarlo mejor, a mi me basta con llegar el día en que pueda entender a un nativo hablando Ingles normalmente y pueda tener una conversación formal con él, luego a seguir mejorando : ), no te rindas.

updated Jan 6, 2014
posted by Neox
two thoughts come to mind. One, English is more open, and has tons of non-native speakers. Spanish I feel for the most part is spoken by native speakers...and that's intimidating! Two, today I heard some women talking and only understood words here - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
and there...words can't begin to describe how frustrating this is for me. And at my job, it happens every. Single. Day. I joke that I'd ask, "hey, can you talk slower so I can understand you?" lol. - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
If I understood English that way it would be like... "zzzzzzz car zzzzzz I said zzzzzzzz she didn't do it zzzzzzzzz what do you want to zzzzzzzzzz" Yeah. Very. Very. Frustrating! - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
I went to USA once, and I again understand exactly what you mean. With time and practice, you will learn to attune yourself to the sounds. I really suggest that you try listening to more Spanish (songs and videos) and practice speaking to the mirror. - Helado_eclectico, Jan 5, 2014
Though songs might frustrate you even more if you try to decipher the lyrics on your very first runthrough. If it helps, I have been singing 'quiero rozarte' instead of 'quiero abrazarte'' for the last few days. Not necessarily wrong, I suppose :p - Helado_eclectico, Jan 5, 2014
Creo que esa es la actitud correcta Neox. Yo también intento hacerlo así. - I think that's the right attitude Neox. I try to follow that path too. - RelaxingCup, Jan 6, 2014
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When there is no longer any need to mention it, because nobody notices .

updated Jan 6, 2014
posted by annierats
My Spanish is so bad, someone would definitely notice. - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
Don't worry Lisa. It is sure to improve. - annierats, Jan 6, 2014
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Let me be straight clear. I can speak English, and I can write English. I'm confident.

And I'm sure that you can read, write and speak Spanish too. Ask yourself this question:

If tomorrow, all of a sudden, you wake up in a Spanish-speaking country where nobody speaks or undersrands nothing anything but Spanish. Do you you think you would manage (even struggling) to make people understand you only speaking in Spanish? If so, you can say you speak another language.

The fact that you don't speak a language as fluently as you wish to, it doesn't mean that you don't speak at all.

Good luck.

Correct my English, please

updated Nov 22, 2014
edited by RelaxingCup
posted by RelaxingCup
nicely put - I took much longer to express it. - Mardle, Jan 6, 2014
I would have expressed it that way (as you did) if I had the level :P - RelaxingCup, Jan 6, 2014
corrections! straight or clear not both. Understands 'any' Fluently [adverb] No 'it'PM if it makes no sense - Mardle, Jan 6, 2014
Thanks! - RelaxingCup, Jan 6, 2014
As to what you say Relaxingcup, I always ask people for example "Can you read and write Chinese?" what would you answer? - chileno, Jan 6, 2014
If I woke up in a Spanish-speaking country, I'd get laughed at and laughed at good. : ( If I woke up in Puerto Rico I might be mistaken for a second or third generation person who was "not proud" of my "heritage." *sigh* Bleh. - lisaantonella, Jan 7, 2014
Got yelled at at work again today about not speaking Spanish. Do I facepalm or lol? - lisaantonella, Jan 7, 2014
Talk to me Lisa. - chileno, Jan 7, 2014
"nothing but Spanish" sounds correct to me. I think it heavily depends on where you grow up (I'm from the North Eastern US) - HackerKing, Nov 22, 2014
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In my mind, fluency does not mean to talk like a native.

I had a manager that was from Ethiopia. He had a marked accent, although he spoke fluently. This fact puzzled a co-worker who was American and she would often wonder how long had this manager of ours had been in the US.

Based on how I think and my experience, I said that most likely, this person had grown up speaking English.

On one occasion we had a general meeting and after it we started to ask personal questions, this agency was helping refugees, I decided to ask him about how he learned English. Sure enough, he had gone to an English school since Kindergarten. All of his education was in English. So he spoke very fluently, like a native but with an accent.

:-D

updated Aug 21, 2014
edited by chileno
posted by chileno
Your manager sounds a lot like me (except I don't have much speaking practice, so I only write and read fluently, lol). Although I was a bit shy when I first met a native English speaker, I soon grew to realize that almost EVERYONE has an accent :DDD - Helado_eclectico, Jan 5, 2014
I always think it's easier for people who aren't native English speakers for some reason. I guess I have it in my head that English speakers suck at learning languages, particularly people from the US. - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
Exactlt Helado. Lisa, everyone thinks like that. I know Hispanics that say exactly the same thing about Americans having easier for learning foreign languages, even "Americans are more intelligent" ... :) - chileno, Jan 5, 2014
Oh no. People all around the world say how dumb we are. Then again, I like to think I'm somewhat of a smarty. - lisaantonella, Jan 7, 2014
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I think it is more of a spectrum than a black and white thing. It can feel weird to say you speak another language if you don't feel the same level of ease that you feel in your native language, but if you are communicating in your second language, then you are speaking it. I have long conversations in Spanish. I have important relationships in which I almost exclusively speak Spanish. That said, my Spanish is far from perfect, and I still have plenty of moments where I don't understand. I am learning all the time and want to continue learning. Saying I speak Spanish doesn't mean the same thing to me as it did when I started out. When I began learning, I imagined reaching some clearly marked goal of perfect fluency and understanding. Now it means something different to me. It means that I am able to able to actively engage in communication with Spanish speakers. For me, speaking another language isn't a neat, either or proposition-- it is a messy, complex (and endlessly interesting!) process.

updated Aug 21, 2014
posted by ElBúho
Such wise words! I can so relate to what you're saying! Your avatar fits :) - dennywells, Jan 5, 2014
Awww thanks! - ElBúho, Jan 5, 2014
you're lucky. I've never had a conversation in Spanish--nobody to speak it with. No relationships to anyone where I speak it, my relationships are ALL Anglophonic. - lisaantonella, Jan 7, 2014
Maybe someone from Spanishdict would skype with you! - ElBúho, Jan 7, 2014
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In my opinion, you can say you speak Spanish when you can do all of the following things:

  1. Can hold your end of a conversation with someone fluent in Spanish.

  2. Can understand most Spanish you read or hear.

  3. Can translate from Spanish to English and English to Spanish.

By these definitions, I am in no way fluent in Spanish. I can understand it, but I can't speak it very well...

Buena Suerta

updated Aug 21, 2014
edited by 00ffada9
posted by 00ffada9
Hi there! A correction. Buena suerte. - Sheily, Jan 5, 2014
Sorry about that. Typo. Thanks for correction! - 00ffada9, Jan 6, 2014
I am the same way. When I'm at work, I joke to myself, "I understand better than I speak, I give as good as I get and **** this is hard." - lisaantonella, Jan 7, 2014
I acan do all of these three things to some extent /to a degree but not always consistently or without fault lol - FELIZ77, Aug 21, 2014
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You have posed an interesting question! The answer is a little different for us all, In my experience, When you can think in a different language...Then you can truely speak it.

updated Aug 21, 2014
posted by motosierra
Well then I guess I'm just a worthless monolingual like the rest of my wretched countrypeople. Great. - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
I CAN think in Spanish, technically, but all I'd really be doing is thinking in English and translating inside my head... - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
You should try not to translate. Best way to learn a language, IMO, is to associate images/ideas with the words rather than thinking '"oh, àrbol is just tree". - Helado_eclectico, Jan 5, 2014
And you know, your brain does think in ideas, not words. An exercise that might help is trying to recall the Spanish name of anything you see without translating. Your brain doesn't echo 'tree' into your mind whenever you see a one, so there's a chance. - Helado_eclectico, Jan 5, 2014
Yes, I am aware of the need to associate words with images, but unfortunately I just can't. I know I'm not supposed to translate in my head but there isn't much else I can do. - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
So unfortunately arbol IS tree, which is exactly the problem. Spanish speakers do this too, as evidenced by all the "how do you say [spanish word] in english?" I find on google. - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
Well, hang in there. It will take time depending on severalteen factors, such as how much dedication you actually have (taking the time to remember an image of something that a Spanish word represents every time you encounter it). - Helado_eclectico, Jan 5, 2014
And who's to say those Spanish speakers don't go Öh, so tree is the word for árbol... how did that look again?". Each to his own mnemonics, of course, but when your own aren't working, you gotta try something new :) - Helado_eclectico, Jan 5, 2014
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I know and speak less Spanish than the questioner and all the answerers, but Spanish speakers have told me that I speak Spanish. That's it! That's all that matters. However I will keep learning more everyday. One more thing: I am able to do what I want. That's significant.

updated Feb 6, 2014
posted by Raja-jani
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Encontré esto en un aplicación. I thought it might be of interest.

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updated Nov 22, 2014
posted by vevans
I say I'm "blah" in Spanish, but really I have no way to measure my proficiency. I know that when it comes to speaking, I'm a mess. I really can't do it right. - lisaantonella, Jan 5, 2014
I've been trying to tell you how to, but you seem impervious.... :-D Talk to me.... - chileno, Jan 5, 2014
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As far as fluency goes, I don't obsess over that. I have been able to hold a conversation well in Spanish for years, translate when needed, and do well in situations where no English was spoken. That somebody says that in order to be fluid you have to be able to translate from English to Spanish? I can translate most straightforward ideas to Spanish even if I have to reword it completely. But my husband is from Mexico, he moved here at age 19, he speaks English so well that ppl think he is a Mexican American. But even HE cannot always translate English books to Spanish, despite his understanding of the language. He has never had a problem understanding English as long as he has been with me, and yet whej we read books to our dd in English my husband doesn't even try to butcher a Spanish translation. I at least try, but some books I gave up on and decided instead that I would invest in Spanish books because it is easier to translate from Spanish to English.

Just last night on tv we saw this phrase "get your geek on" and my husband knows what it means but cannot translate it. In fact he could not even think of a good translation for "the grease popped on my arm" as I was tryinh to explain to my dd. I actually came up with this myself "la grasa me salpicó en el brazo."

Now what I would tell ppl about myself, I can hold a conversation well in Spanish, I have an easier time understanding Mexicans than anyone else but I can hold a convo with any Spanish speaker one on one or in a small group on a common interest topic. Even with English which is my native tongue, I cannot hold a convo well in groups when they are discussing an unfamiliar subject and while I understand all the words they use, it is kind of like I don't, because when interest is not there my ears tune out, just the same with Spanish.

Now yes I do feel more comfortable speaking English than Spanish. Spanish does feel like more brain work for me.

But I guess I am not one to obsess over fluency itself. If I can have friends who speak only Spanish then that in and of itself accomplishes a lot. I have friends I otherwise wouls not have.

Children do not speak any language perfectly, if fluency is defined by not making grammatical mistakes (although my grammar in Spanish is often as good or better than a native).

What I recommend is to make Spanish study, and growth as a Spanish speaker a life time goal rather than something that you have to get down in x years or you are just incompetent. By looking at it this way you will never fail.

updated Aug 21, 2014
posted by charlottequevedo
A great outlook/perspective, Charlotte :) - FELIZ77, Aug 21, 2014
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I you can say you speak a language when you can use it daily life. For example, although I'm not fluent in Spanish, I was able to use it at work during my summer internship. I translated during lawyer-client appointments. Now I tell people I can speak with ease but not fluently.

updated Aug 21, 2014
posted by jgw787
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If someone asked you 'can you speak Spanish' you wouldn't say 'no' you would say 'I can get by' or 'I speak a little' I think your question is a request for help to improve your knowledge of Spanish. If someone came into a café where you were having a drink and asked in Spanish if anyone spoke Spanish and there was a deathly silence I am sure you would ask her if you could help. I am from the UK and there are many people who do not speak another language - they may know basic pleasantries from school or a holiday. I don't think you can say 'speak' until you can speak some phrases or sentences but a language changes all the time. I have been educated to a reasonable level and have an excellent vocabulary in my native language, but I learn new things every day, usually without thinking, particularly new slang words and phrases. I read something in Spanish every day and my vocabulary is improving. I usually listen to some Spanish too, but I do not speak enough so my verbal skills lag behind and I know I am not forward enough to just speak - I tend to worry about how to say something then if my vocabulary is not good enough don't speak! The exception is if I go to a Spanish speaking country where I relax and enjoy having a go! I assume you live in the USA so unless you live somewhere small and remote it will be easy to meet people who speak Spanish - do it - if they want you can help with their English, but my joy in learning a language is the whole package including new literature, music and knowledge of other countries. While encouraging 'speaking' do not neglect listening or you will impress others with what you have said then not understand the next step in the dialogue! This site explains how much Spanish we know! http://www.knowspanish.com/

updated Aug 21, 2014
posted by Mardle
I deal with non-English, Spanish-speaking customers at my job on a daily basis and let me assure you, if someone asks if anyone speaks Spanish, I stay silent. I'm just not good enough. - lisaantonella, Jan 7, 2014
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Después de qué? ray?

:-D

updated Aug 21, 2014
posted by chileno
Thanks mate , my guardian angel , you keep me honesto. - ray76, Jan 6, 2014
You didn't understand Ray..... I was asking because the way you translated it, that's what we are posed with... After what? Get it? - chileno, Jan 6, 2014
"The morning after" is an English thing, Ray. Spanish requires that you extrapolate. : ) - lisaantonella, Jan 7, 2014
In other words, the morning after what? After you adopted your new puppy? After you passed you driving exam? After you went to a concert of that band you like? After...what? lol. - lisaantonella, Jan 7, 2014