old oaxacan short sword

Question

I Found an old short sword from oaxaca (says viva oaxaca on it) but out had the word "jeros" on it and i can't find a meaning. The entire phrase is "Jeros mas ascos Le tengo a esa bole de cabrones".

Darn good question- and an interesting peice of mexican history - pacofinkler, Dec 24, 2013

Answer 1

Well so far - on the sword you have a statement of victory. Jerós is still the mystery word --you have likely translated the rest which simply stated is:

• • • • are disgusting- I got that ball of b******ds

Answer 2

After some hours of research I asked my wife ( a mexican native speaker, what this could be.) She told me it is a saying from "old mexican " that was later incorporated into a popular song called " El Charro Ponciano" that is still sung by many people in Mexico

The complete phrase is this: "Asco le tengo a los pesos y también a los tostones, pero más asco le tengo a esa bola de cabrones". (or even ladrones instead of the other last word which rhymes) Please note that the "C" word can mean pretty much what you wish it to even though it is usually considered a "palabrota" We are dealing with history here-not political correctness..

Now then: We must consider that this phrase can be used as a game of words called in spanish "albur " because it can be used for many purposes in many contexts.

Literally the translation would be:

I am disgusted with the pesos ( mexican coin) and also with the tostones ( old mexican coin with the value of 1/2 peso) but I am more disgusted with the b*****ds ( or thieves) or even another such word.

Here is one version of the song that has the phrase. you can also search it by typing: charro ponciano poesía lírica.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASYj2uqbnk

Great piece of research! - Noetol, Dec 25, 2013

Gracias ! - pacofinkler, Dec 25, 2013

Answer 3

Paco, Thank you so much to you and your wife. I hope I can find someone who can tell me how old it is. I wish I could attach some pictures here for you to see it, but can't figure out how. Happy holidays to you and yours. Matt

Thanks Matt! you have a nice peice of history there keep it. - pacofinkler, Dec 25, 2013

Answer 4

So on the other side we have another inscription: "Asco le tengo a los pesos.y tambien a los tostones"

Aha more information ! - pacofinkler, Dec 25, 2013

Answer 5

we are looking into that now- of course it is "old Spanish" so it may take a bit- goodness keep the sword!!

Answer 6

Diggs, just a little more to add to this story, In the time of that sword likely around the revolution, "pesos" could be used as rich people and tostones also having the meaning of "half" and in this case half rich. so our writer is saying he hates the rich and the half rich and the he will get them ( related to their actions).

So it could be from the revolution. Thanks, Paco. That's an exciting prospect that it could have that much history to it. - Diggs9051, Jan 13, 2014

Answer 7

Paco, thank you. I wonder if Jeros was a family name...?

The best i could find was in spanish romai it was " mouse"-I really think it means " foreigners" - pacofinkler, Dec 25, 2013

Answer 8

Diggs9051, I wouldn't recommend showing that sword to any nieces, nephews, or any small children.

¡Feliz Navidad!

Answer 9

You may want to get rid of that sword. There are tons of misspellings, and possibly a couple swear words. I think it says, "B*****d", and it seems very disrespectful. Could someone fluent in Spanish help here?