"Those Capitalist generally act harmoniously " Translation exercise; All levels .

Question

Estos capitalistas en general actúan en armonía

y en concierto   para desplumar a la gente.

These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert,

to fleece the people.

Abraham Lincoln

Please correct my sentence.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it

Top of the morning. - katydew, Jul 17, 2013

No top of the night , it is 10 PM Wednesday , I am waiting for the Tour de France to start , I will watch it until about 2. 30 AM Thursday , I just love bike riding. Have a good time off for the next few weeks Katay , pero ten cuidad guapa. - ray76, Jul 17, 2013

"cuidado" - ray76, Jul 17, 2013

A wonderful post if you want to analyse the implacations of what it says! - diagonx, Jul 17, 2013

These words could make a mind boggle, if it is open to it. Thank you. - diagonx, Jul 17, 2013

Thanks mate I agree. - ray76, Jul 17, 2013

I could only wish it was time off. You travel for fun, I travel for work. ;o) I manage to fit in some fun along the way though. - katydew, Jul 18, 2013

"Pennies don't fall from heaven, they have to be earned here on earth." Margaret Thatcher - 0095ca4c, Jul 18, 2013

Answer 1

I was wondering about the context of this quote so I did some research. The quote is taken from the his first reported speech given by 27 year old Abe, when he was a state legislator. Apparently, there was a court case concerning if the state should pay court costs involving the distribution of a certain bank's shares among it's wealthy shareholders. As he was against the state paying these costs, he said,

"These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the people, and now that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people's money to settle the quarrel."

Here's a try

Me preguntaba sobre el contexto de esta cita, así que investigué un poco. La cita es tomada de su primer discurso dado por Abe cuando tenía 27 años de edad y era un legislador estatal. Al parecer, había un caso del corte referente a si el estado debe pagar los costos de la corte que implica la distribución de cierta acciones del banco entre los accionistas ricos . Como Lincoln estaba en contra del estado de pagar estos costos, dijo,

"Estos capitalistas generalmente actúan armónicamente y en concierto para tomar una ventaja de la gente , y ahora que tienen en una pelea con ellos mismos, estamos llamados a apropiarse de dinero de la gente para resolver la disputa".

Very interesting exercise, Ray., Thanks!

Corrections are welcome! Por favor, ¡corrija mi español!

Thank you Sanlee, Abbe could quite well have been talking about the debacle after the last financial crisis with the banks , which proves what a great man he was , that was brilliant Sandy, thank you , mi hermanita. - ray76, Jul 17, 2013

Yes, it could apply even today. You are so right! - sanlee, Jul 18, 2013

Very interesting. - katydew, Jul 18, 2013

Congratulations - pmikan-pam, Jul 18, 2013

¡Muchas Gracias, Raymundo! - sanlee, Jul 18, 2013

Answer 2

Con frecuencia en capital se conjura para desollar al pueblo

People with really good intentions for humanity like Lincoln tend to think ahead of their time, and also tend to wind up dead in a premature way.

I could only guess the man could foresee that the main principle of capitalism, the accumulation of capital, would only serve the misery and damnation of humanity if allowed to act with total laxity.

conjurado, buena palabra. - annierats, Jul 17, 2013

Thanks, but I don't quite like my translation yet - diagonx, Jul 17, 2013

An incredible take on the man and his prescience my friend , he was a man of the people , and i believe that his curse was an ability to see and to feel the anguish and hopeless situation of the downtrodden , like many great men of his ilk he had to be si - ray76, Jul 17, 2013

-silenced . - ray76, Jul 17, 2013

Answer 3

I've found a neat one ,

Los capitalistas suelen actuar en armonía y concierto, para ratear de la gente.

It carries a certain ambiguity though, a perfect politician's word

Thanks mate , the words of politicians are usually ambiguity personified . - ray76, Jul 17, 2013

Neat use of soler, I make the phrase more shocking in my translation, the fleecing part is very pungent, I kept that line - diagonx, Jul 17, 2013

Answer 4

Parece bastante difícil buscar a otra solución que funcione..

It does seem rather difficult to come up with a viable alternative..

Please note, I don't think Capitalism is the perfect solution.

No need for a solution if you asked me, a process of change would be better. - diagonx, Jul 17, 2013

Typo, "a viable" - ray76, Jul 17, 2013

Churchill said the "Capitalism is the worst form of Government , except for all the others . " Please note I am not an advocate of Churchill , but he was a man who could see the whole picture , and could see dangers where others could only see flowers. - ray76, Jul 17, 2013