Civil disobedience

Question

Civil disobedience is the duty of all citizens.

La desobediencia civil es el deber de todos los ciudadanos.

Do you agree?

¿Estás de acuerdo?

Civil disobedience

Here here ! - ray76, Jun 13, 2013

I think that I had better quit tonight Ian , Stones green ginger wine is taking control , it is stronger than i remember. - ray76, Jun 13, 2013

Estoy llamando un agente de inmigración... hehehe - readytodictate, Jun 13, 2013

You may have started a revolution :-) - 0095ca4c, Jun 13, 2013

Remember Rosa Parks who refused to relinquish her seat on a bus to a white man? - pmikan-pam, Jun 13, 2013

That simply broke all the rules of civilised society - right? - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

you bet! :) - chellapadua, Jun 14, 2013

Answer 1

We have a responsibility to stand up for ourselves against unjust laws. Just because legislation passes a law does not make it right. We are not dogs meant to lay down and obey we are people who are meant to have a voice.

You are on notice sir , your words will be taken down and used against you , next you will be saying that we live in a free society , a democracy no less ,. Oh that what you say were still a truism , sadly i fear that those days are long past. - ray76, Jun 13, 2013

But I do like the cut of your Jib, keep it up mate and may the force be with us. - ray76, Jun 13, 2013

We do have that responsibility. I just think than even in societies such as ours, in the US, radical change is no longer achieved by civil disobedience. - francobollo, Jun 13, 2013

Radical change is not achieved full stop Franco. It is creaping "this" creaping "that" sneaking up on us - like a thief in teh night.. - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

Hi Chella! 'They' are probably looking you up right now lol Cheers! - 0095ca4c, Jun 13, 2013

sorry that I missed out on all this good conversation today. my internet was down the whole day after my last post. I do agree with francobollo that change is not achieved this way. There is always a way to achieve though. - chellapadua, Jun 14, 2013

@ Margherite, no surprise since there are no privacy laws obviously. Probally why my internet was out all day :) - chellapadua, Jun 14, 2013

@ian-hill, correct, creeping that has been going on for too long and at who's expense? I often wonder what the founding fathers would think about society today. Also, what would they change if any? - chellapadua, Jun 14, 2013

Answer 2

Our government has forgotten its place. It is not their responsibility to look out for my well-being and to monitor my speech. It’s not their right to assert an agenda. We cannot afford to have our First Amendment rights taken away from us. Nuestro gobierno ha olvidado su lugar. No es su responsabilidad de buscar mi bienestar y supervisar mi discurso. No es su derecho de afirmar un orden del día. No nos podemos permitir a tener nuestros Primeros derechos de la Enmienda llevados de nosotros.

Up and at'em comrade ! :)) I can only give you one vote - how unfair is that? - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

You are too kind Ian - - pmikan-pam, Jun 13, 2013

How do we use civil disobedience to oppose the Second Amendment? - Jubilado, Jun 13, 2013

Such wise words. It seems that they have forgotten that they work F O R us, and that we pay their salaries. - 0095ca4c, Jun 13, 2013

Hola amiga, remember who said If a man hasn't discovered something to die for, he isn't fit to live? - pmikan-pam, Jun 13, 2013

Hola Jubilado, good question, are you going to start a post? - pmikan-pam, Jun 13, 2013

Remember who said "we muist be the change we wish to see"? - pmikan-pam, Jun 13, 2013

Answer 3

Creo en la desobediencia civil ,ya he empezado a mi manera ya.

¡El amor está en el aire !

I believe in civil disobedience, I have already started in my own fashion.

Love is in the air !

I expected nothing less from you mate :) - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

Pero mi amigo señor fulano me dijo que no es importante. - ray76, Jun 13, 2013

Oh dear, I thought it was only your face that was hairy... - annierats, Jun 13, 2013

Ray, that's just "uncivil" display. - Jubilado, Jun 13, 2013

Hola amigo...that latex thing is much worse than the bikini photo I posted. Start ducking and diving! :-) - 0095ca4c, Jun 13, 2013

very good ray! another laugh, gracias! - chellapadua, Jun 14, 2013

Answer 4

Suena muy romántico, pero poco factible. Mira lo infeciente que resultó "Occupy Wall Street". Hoy en día, la mayoría de los cambios se logran a través de modificaciones a la legislación.

Hi Franco - there are other ways of practising such disobedience :) - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

Where would we be without at least the odd example of romance :) - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

La legislación es el primer lugar de efectuar el cambio. - Jubilado, Jun 13, 2013

@Jubilado...not if your politicians are corrupt liars. - 0095ca4c, Jun 13, 2013

nice comparitive franco! you got my vote! - chellapadua, Jun 14, 2013

Answer 5

A veces, la desobediencia es necesario.

necesariA - francobollo, Jun 13, 2013

Liza doesn't want to accord with convention Franco. :) - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

Answer 6

La desobediencia civil - el acto de golpearse la cabeza contra un muro de ladrillo. Lo hacemos porque cuando nos paramos, se siente tan bien.

Civil disobedience - the act of banging ones head against a brick wall. We do it because it feels so good when we stop.

The efforts of a rare few cause the wall to fall to our collective benefit amiga :) - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

Egal Roodenko dijo que es importante matillar en el lugar donde esté enfrente de la pared de la injusticia. Soy pacifista y es un de mis heroes ahora fallecido. Continúo a desobedecer donde es justo hacerlo. ¿Me explico? - Jubilado, Jun 13, 2013

Te entiendo y respeto tu punto de vista pero no estoy de acuerdo con tu heróe Roodenko, especialmente su postura respecto a WW2, pero esto es mi posición y no pido a nadie de acuerdo conmigo. - 0095ca4c, Jun 14, 2013

I don't disagree with your point Ian. The point I was making is that it is very difficult to make headway when you are up against an immovable object. That is not to say it can't be done. - 0095ca4c, Jun 14, 2013

I agree Ian-hill! The problem is not enough people use their voice their vote or their right. People are neglecting their own responsibilities. - chellapadua, Jun 14, 2013

@ Margherite, gracias para tu respuesta. Hay pocas personas de acuerdo con los pacifistas. Pero la necesidad de seguir la conciencia es el primer mandato. - Jubilado, Jun 14, 2013

The problem with voting is that the government always gets in - lagartijaverde, Jun 14, 2013

@Jubilado...¡de nada! Podemos estar de acuerdo sobre la conciencia. - 0095ca4c, Jun 14, 2013

Answer 7

It is an interesting phrasing "Civil disobedience is the duty of all citizens."

In my opinion maintaining justice in civil law in the duty of all citizens. Civil disobedience should not become a way of life for anyone. Gandhi did not dedicate his life to civil disobedience he dedicated his life to the liberation on his people from colonial subjugation.

There is a perpetuation of adolescent rebellion in modern society. This is neither a duty or honor. Calling rebellious behavior civil disobedience is a disservice to idealism and morality.

Algun día escribiré eso en español, pero no hoy.

I disagree Jubildo - without civil disobedience those in power would become dictators because, as you know, power corrupts. - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

What we call democracy is not working to the advantage of the people anymore - it has been hi-jacked. - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

And yet you do not live in chaos. And justice still exists. You asked if one agrees, no? In some ways I do. - Jubilado, Jun 13, 2013

Hello Jubilado...I don't like to spoil your day, but you have just been disobedient by not posting in both languages :-) I'm sorry dear :-) - 0095ca4c, Jun 13, 2013

He is one of life's natural rebels apparently. :) - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

I disagree Jubilido. Justice doesn't exist for everyone. - Ranman, Jun 13, 2013

imo, the latest "perpetuation of adolescent rebellion" is a phenomenon that began with the idea that 'one is entitled to it' (great job, big house) and is fueled by politicians looking for votes. 'I'll give you what you want' will always get a vote.. - 0095ca4c, Jun 14, 2013

Answer 8

Civil disobedience. What a very well thought out concept to make sheeple think they're "free" to oppose what is imposed on them!

People are not as free today as they were before to think (r)evolution needs a complete change of mentality, and the shedding of the old ways, e.g. "civil disobedience".

Well you make the number of us revolutionaries about em - yes 5 :) - ian-hill, Jun 13, 2013

Answer 9

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.....that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it....

This is in the second paragraph of our Declaration of Independence.

Esto es en el segundo párafo de nuestra declaración de independencia.

Hola Ranman! - 0095ca4c, Jun 14, 2013

Hola Ranman, gracias toda la razon! - pmikan-pam, Jun 14, 2013

Answer 10

I don't know which post is making you grin LagartijaVerde, but I'm voting for it....the grin that is :-) - 0095ca4c, Jun 14, 2013

'the government always gets in" - yes,sometimes getting their fingers into the ballot boxes. - 0095ca4c, Jun 14, 2013