Para ver si -> not subjunctive

Question

"Cuando las hayas hecho, pincha en 'check' para ver si las has hecho bien"

Why it's 'has hecho' in the second part? and not 'hayas'

Answer 1

An easy way to remember: In forms of present tense when si is used, indicative must follow to satify the grammar rule.

Sí. - annierats, Jun 12, 2013

Thanks for that. I thought this was the case, but could not verify with a grammar search (which was not easy). - Jubilado, Jun 12, 2013

Answer 2

I don´t think the sentence structure used in MC´s lesson is actually an exception to rule, JC

No the bits you refer to JC aren't the exceptions, that's further down in the lesson under the heading ...

WHEN TO BREAK THE RULES

**** Note on 'si' being followed by 'the present subjunctive':***

Here's one example taken from that section of si being followed by the present subjunctive

No sé si vaya a la fiesta, no sé si deba ir a la fiesta

Ja ja! Obviously I didn´t read far enough. Of course this example would have to use subjunctive because of "No sé" indicating major doubt. Cheers - 005faa61, Jun 15, 2013

;) - Kiwi-Girl, Jun 15, 2013

Answer 3

Perhaps this lesson will help ....

And JC is quite right, that's a great tip that 'si' is (nearly) never followed by the present subjunctive.

But this lesson covers the one exception to that rule.

Just saw this, it's great! I will study it. - Jubilado, Jun 15, 2013

thanxJ :) - Kiwi-Girl, Jun 15, 2013

Kiwi, (almost) never sounds better :) - FELIZ77, Jun 15, 2013

Or " usually never " Good post, but I find the subjunctive tricky to grasp. - britisk, Jun 16, 2013

Answer 4

I agree with jubilado.

Another thing would be if the second part said "pincha en "check" para verificar que lo hayas hecho bien"

Sea?

Did you mean to wrtie "See?" or is this the Spanish ser in subjunctive? - Jubilado, Jun 12, 2013

Sí, C, Sea See? ;) - chileno, Jun 12, 2013

Answer 5

Where in English we say "When you (any other pronoun) arrive, write, answer (do anything but not yet completed)," in Spanish the present subjunctive is used. The expression "to see if..." does not require the subjunctive. I suppose there is no uncertainty in the verb only in the outcome. You have either done well or you have not and the intention is not to say you might or may have done well (subjunctive modals in English).

Answer 6

But this lesson covers the one exception to that rule.

I don´t think the sentence structure used in MC´s lesson is actually an exception to rule, but rather a completely different structure where si is commonly used. These are hypothetical situations that use two clauses that complement each other - conditional and subjunctive. In these cases we are not declaring anything but imagining, ie: Si no hiciera calor, saldría a la calle / Saldría a la calle si no hiciera calor (If it were not hot, I would go out / I would go out if it were not hot).

Note that in English we can drop the if and say Were it not hot, I would go out / I would go out were it not hot.

In simple present tense were si is used, we are declaring facts, thus: we cannot use a subjunctive clause.