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The green table is in the yard

The green table is in the yard

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long and square

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updated May 26, 2013
posted by K-e-i-v-a
Welcome to the forum of questions, K. Can you make your question more clear as to what you want answered. Glad you have joined in. - katydew, May 25, 2013

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What sort of yard? Only Americans have yards, the rest of us have back yards, gardens, stable yards.. concrete yards, mostly, not that nice..

The stable yard? La cuadra.

The garden? el jardín

on the terrace ? el patio o la terraza

updated May 26, 2013
posted by annierats
Y para Horacio Quiroga la selva.... - EugenioCosta, May 25, 2013
Buen comentario. - annierats, May 25, 2013
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Merely by the way, "long and square" is possible attributively, if not overly persuasive for, say, a table. The long, for instance, might be the speaker referring to the length of the side, then adding that the overall shape of the area is square.

A: That pasture you have up for sale--is that the one that borders Sam's place?

B: Yep.

A: How long on that side? Quarter of a mile?

B: Yep.

A: And what's the lay of it? Square like all the old plat parcels in this neck of the woods?

B: Yep.

A: Long and square then?

B: Yep.

A: Been running steers there?

B: Yep.

A: They do all right?

B: Yep.

A: And you are asking $40,000 for it? That is a piece of change.

B: Yep.

updated May 26, 2013
posted by EugenioCosta
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Long and square is impossable. A rectangle can be long but a square can only be big or small not long or short.

By the way thanks for letting us know where the table is.

José, no se busca más por la mesa verde, le encontró en el patio. Es larga y rectangla.

updated May 25, 2013
edited by 00551866
posted by 00551866
Lol, I guess it's rectangular, as opposed to round. - annierats, May 25, 2013
It could be long and oval or roundish but not long and round. - 00551866, May 25, 2013
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Also the ancient Greeks, who invented geometry, and classified squares as a kind of rectangle, would be very surprised to hear that only rectangles may be long, while all squares are merely big or small.

updated May 25, 2013
posted by EugenioCosta
Really ? - ian-hill, May 25, 2013
En verdad. - EugenioCosta, May 25, 2013
"It is a square then? How long on a side?". Anyway, given the state of geometry nowadays, especially in the US, one is not surprised at some of the definitions that some folk come up with, as that a square has no length. - EugenioCosta, May 25, 2013
Also merely, by the way, by using "this neck of the woods", A politely shows he not pretending to be from the area. It is also a roundabout way of someone like B telling someone he is a stranger. - EugenioCosta, May 25, 2013
You've made me laugh, anyway. - annierats, May 25, 2013
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Length and long are two different things. Long is relative while length is quantifie

1 mile in length. A long walk. Also long can not exist without short because it is relative. When talking about inches a mile is long but compared to a light-year a mile is extremly short. A mile by its self is not long or short.

Long rectangle. What is the comparison for long to exist when you only have the rectangle? Answer, the short sides of the rectangle. In other words the ratio between the long sides and the short sides determine whether or not the rectangle is long or short.

Long square? Only having the square as a reference a square has neither long nor short sides because they are all equal. A square by its self can neither be long or short like a mile by its self.

You can say that the square table is longer than the rectangular table but by its self it can only be big or small and that changes with the perspective of what is considered normal.

Also, draw a rectangle using red for the long sides and blue for the short sides. Easy you have a red and blue rectangle. Now draw a square using red for the long sides and blue for the short sides. Extremely difficult, it is impossable because I did not give a color for equal only long and short.

The ancient greeks could probably explain it better than I have.

If you want to say the long square or circle go for it, it's not my problem. You can also say "What piece of pie do you want?" instead of "Which piece of pie do you want?".

Enough of this, time for Spanish.

updated May 26, 2013
edited by 00551866
posted by 00551866
Yes, the Greeks were very good at this. They even had words for length, breadth, and depth, which, of course, defined the "space" in which figures were considered to have dimensions. - EugenioCosta, May 26, 2013
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From the Online Etymological Dictionary, which is quite good as these things go:

YARD (1)

"ground around a house," Old English geard "enclosure, garden, court, house, yard," from Proto-Germanic *garda (cf. Old Norse garðr "enclosure, garden, yard;" Old Frisian garda, Dutch gaard, Old High German garto, German Garten "garden;" Gothic gards "house," garda "stall"), from PIE *gharto-, from root *gher- "to grasp, enclose" (cf. Old English gyrdan "to gird," Sanskrit ghra- "house," Albanian garth "hedge," Latin hortus "garden," Phrygian -gordum "town," Greek khortos "pasture," Old Irish gort "field," Breton garz "enclosure, garden," and second element in Latin cohors "enclosure, yard, company of soldiers, multitude").

Lithuanian gardas "pen, enclosure," Old Church Slavonic gradu "town, city," and Russian gorod, -grad "town, city" belong to this group, but linguists dispute whether they are independent developments or borrowings from Germanic. Yard sale is attested by 1976. Middle English yerd "yard-land" (mid-15c.) was a measure of about 30 acres.

YARD 2:

measure of length, Old English gerd (Mercian), gierd (West Saxon) "rod, stick, measure of length," from West Germanic *gazdijo, from Proto-Germanic *gazdaz "stick, rod" (cf. Old Saxon gerda, Old Frisian ierde, Dutch gard "rod;" Old High German garta, German gerte "switch, twig," Old Norse gaddr "spike, sting, nail"), from PIE *gherdh- "staff, pole" (cf. Latin hasta "shaft, staff"). The nautical yardarm retains the original sense of "stick."

Originally in Anglo-Saxon times a land measure of roughly 5 meters (a length later called rod, pole, or perch). Modern measure of "three feet" is attested from late 14c. (earlier rough equivalent was the ell of 45 inches, and the verge). In Middle English, the word also was a euphemism for "penis" (cf. "Love's Labour's Lost," V.ii.676). Slang meaning "one hundred dollars" first attested 1926, American English.

updated May 25, 2013
posted by EugenioCosta
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En el trasero la floja mesa verde de la hierba....

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updated May 25, 2013
posted by EugenioCosta