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Impersonal "you"

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Hello

I was wondering today about the impersonal uses of "you" in English and the way it is translated into Spanish. By impersonal "you" I mean the use of the pronoun "you" to refer to people in general (e.g. "How do you say?" "First you turn on the water", etc." I know that when the impersonal "you" is a subject, you can often use the impersonal "se" (e.g. ¿Cómo se dice?) but I don't know what one would do when the impersonal "you" is being used as an object. For example, I tried to translate the sentence "It teaches you how to be healthy". My best guess was "Le enseña ser sano", but I don't know if that is an acceptable formation...

Any thoughts?

Thank you!

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updated Apr 24, 2013
edited by Maxwell_R
posted by Maxwell_R

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Maxwell:

That form is called to talk in the first or second or third person. The same thing in English.

One cannot take one's eyes off of you. Uno no puede quitar la vista de ti. = uno no puede dejar de verte.

Le enseña a uno a ser sano = It teaches one to be healthy.

Te enseña a ser sano = It teaches you to be healthy.

It teaches you how to be healthy = Te enseña a como ser sano.

updated Apr 24, 2013
edited by chileno
posted by chileno
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Uno is used to convey the impersonal you in the most effective way:

Uno nunca presta atención a las señales de tránsito (meaning no one ever pays attention to traffic signs)

Cuando (tú) quieras que te presten atención es necesario que (tú) alces la voz. When one wants to be paid attention to, sometimes (one) needs to raise his/her voice.

Alternative: Cuando uno quiera que le presten atención es necesario que uno alce la voz.

I hope this helps!

updated Apr 24, 2013
edited by francobollo
posted by francobollo
So then, this sentence should have been translated: "Enseña a ser sano a uno" like LaPiedra suggested? - Maxwell_R, Apr 24, 2013
Lo enseña a uno a ser sano is how I'd phrase it. - francobollo, Apr 24, 2013
Why lo? Why not le? And is that word order of "a uno" and "a ser sano" a stylistic choice or grammatical? - Maxwell_R, Apr 24, 2013
Lo or le are correct. Le is typical of Spain. Lo is more used in Latin America. They both mean the same. - francobollo, Apr 24, 2013
Lo enseña a uno is the right grammatical order. It (lo) enseña (teaches) a uno (one) a ser sano (to be healthy) - francobollo, Apr 24, 2013
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Let's wait for the final word from a native speaker, but the conclusion that I seem to have come to about this type of impersonal "you" is that it depends on if you're using everyday talk or more formal speech. I've seen countless times people use, as in your example, sentences like te enseña a ser sano, but in an informal context. If you want to be more formal, you could use the equivalent of "it teaches one to be healthy," which is le enseña a uno a ser sano.

updated Apr 24, 2013
posted by LaPiedraAlegre
I think using "le" here implies the recepient of the action is a known person. By using "se" as in "se enseña a uno a ser sano" it becomes "teaches one" (a non-specified individual). It is a very useful tool the passive "se" :)) - yo_la_tengo, Apr 24, 2013
But, since "se" is a reflexive pronoun, I'm not sure it can be used as an object in a sentence like this - Maxwell_R, Apr 24, 2013
Good point Maxwell. If anyone can confirm whether "se" would be inappropriate here can you let us know!! :) - yo_la_tengo, Apr 24, 2013