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"Am I speaking to Fred or Freda?"

10
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There are far too many new members that are not filling out

their profile . Apart from the obvious confusion over gender ,

I do not want to be placed in the embarrassing position

of correcting a native speaker. So please please fill out your profile

fully , so that we may better offer you help .

I have just realised what a joyous occasion it would be if I

could ever correct a native Spanish speaker , well, we can all dream.

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updated Mar 14, 2013
posted by ray76

8 Answers

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I have problems answering Ericks and Erickas Ray. You deal with the Freds and Fredas. OK?

You can correct a Spanish speaker when s/he gets the Strine wrong mate.

updated Mar 14, 2013
posted by ian-hill
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Does it really matter? When we ask a question, I think we all hope that the kind people who answer, answer to the best of their ability. I believe that we all want to be treated with respect; male, female, native English speaker or Spanish speaker, people who want to protect their privacy, people who don't care if their information is used for creepy purposes. Can we really offer better help by knowing someone's gender, birthday and where they were born?
If you know enough to spot an error in a native Spanish speaker's post, congratulations! I assume there are lazy Spanish speakers just as there are lazy English speakers and we could all use a lesson in grammar now and again. Go for it. Hopefully if you correct a native Spanish speaker and they disagree, they can let you (really us) know why and we can all learn something.wink

updated Mar 4, 2013
posted by MountainBelle
That help's - 0080b918, Mar 3, 2013
not really. - 0080b918, Mar 3, 2013
You obviously don't get how this site works mountainbelle. - ian-hill, Mar 3, 2013
And you are right, all learners should find respect here. Many have been banned from the site who don't respect other members. Now birthdays, that is another thing. I don't like that part either. - katydew, Mar 3, 2013
The language matters, of course, this is a language learning site. - rac1, Mar 3, 2013
I put it this way - if users can't be bothered to fill out the profile info than I can't be bothered to offer help. - ian-hill, Mar 3, 2013
Gender is important because Spanish has gender built in: amiga/amigo. Fluency helps to know if the answers you get are from someone fluent, a native speaker, or a beginner. I trust the answers from a native speaker more than a beginner. - katydew, Mar 3, 2013
MountainBelle, I think you make a very good point and as far as gender is concerned, in Spanish we use examples in our own gender and nobody is ever offended. Thank God "political correctness" hasn´t infected the Spanish language as it has English. - 005faa61, Mar 3, 2013
Providing context in questions and answers is much more important than this other stuff. Too many times lack of context creates a big guessing game and a waste of time for everybody - 005faa61, Mar 3, 2013
@Julian - the only reason PC hasn't raised its ugly head in Spanish is because it can't. :) - ian-hill, Mar 3, 2013
I agrree Julian , but I have written a PM many times to what I thought was a man , but was surprised to see it was a girl. Men write in a different style to a man especially here in OZ. It has been embarrassing to both parties. It would be no different - ray76, Mar 4, 2013
Whatever the nationality. We men approach women in a different manner than we do to a female , it is something which we do almost without thought ,I do not write to Ian and say , "thanks dear , you are a sweetheart ". ( maybe I should ) - ray76, Mar 4, 2013
:) - ian-hill, Mar 4, 2013
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Mountainbelle,

Thanks mate you make some good points .

I have been here a few years and to my knowledge no member has

used my information for" creepy"purposes , I am competent

enough to do that myself , but seriously whenever we use the internet

all our information is out there , we can be careful of course , but

when on a site like this that has a membership in the tens of

thousands with most having their profiles on view I am happy

to show them the trust that they give to me.The gender is no

big deal , but the rest is necessary to help us understand how

best to reply . A well known and respected member wrote me recently

and said,"stop calling me, mate, I am a girl" well here in the land of

OZ "mate" is non gender specific , we are all mates.

Incidentally mate, I use humour in order to get a serious point across ,

but also to try to liven up the site if things are lagging , so there is

no need for us to get our knockers in a knit, I often Poke mullock ,

in order to stir the possum , in no way am I trying to come the raw prawn ,

but London to a brick most of what I say will go through to the keeper ,

so I dips me lid to you mate , but I gotta go now I have a pie and dead

horse waiting for me , with a Sheila on the side , and you cant keep the

Sheilas waiting , Hooroo blue.

updated Mar 4, 2013
edited by ray76
posted by ray76
Very well said old chap :) - ian-hill, Mar 4, 2013
And just as I was getting my knickers in a knit... ha... you are a fun person to have on the site and I agree. You do liven it up quite a bit. - katydew, Mar 4, 2013
That last bit was incredible, I had to look up about 80% of it in the Australian slang dictionary... :) - PumpkinCalabaza, Mar 4, 2013
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The only question on a person profile that's important isn't being asked in first place:

What is your native language?

The only thing close to that is selecting "fluent" as your language level, but fluent and native are two very different things. You should also be able to specify if you are bilingual.

And to be honest, knowing someone's native language isn't going to help you answer the question either. The main reason I want to know if someone is a native speaker or not is to decide how much consideration I give to the accuracy of their answer.

Things like birthdays and gender might be interesting and nice to know, but have no impact on your ability to answer a persons question. Everything else is just being curious. Although I could see making a case for asking for the country of a persons origin, to help with the identification of Spanish/English dialects.

What we really need to focus on is making sure people are clear in what they are expecting for an answer (a translation, verification, etc.) and providing proper (or at least some) context in the question.

updated Mar 4, 2013
edited by rodneyp
posted by rodneyp
I agree - it is not as if we want their bank details or passport number is it? - ian-hill, Mar 4, 2013
Yes you are right mate, there was a post this week which pointed this out in spades. Two members disagreed on a point of Spanish grammar , one showed his profile as fluen in Spanish , therefore we could take his answer as correct over the non known person - ray76, Mar 4, 2013
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@MountainBelle:

While I agree that everyone should absolutely be treated with equal respect and kindness no matter their gender or native language, since this is a language-learning site, it's easier for people to write a reply in your native language if they know what that is. This is not always obvious from the information in the question. It's more helpful for the asker if the question can be written in their native (or at least more proficient) language.

Also, since this is Spanish we are talking about, it is useful to know someone's gender, especially if you are correcting a text they have written about themselves, which happens quite often, since beginners frequently make mistakes in the gender of adjectives. How can one correct a person's use of adjectives to describe him/herself if one does not know the gender of that person? I'm not saying you need to fill out sections like birth date, country, city, etc. The only two that really matter are gender and language proficiency, in my opinion. The rest is just optional.

All this to say that, while I agree on your point that everyone should be treated with kindness and respect no matter what their profile says, it makes it many times easier for helpers to lend them a hand knowing a few, non-personally identifiable things about the person being helped.

updated Mar 4, 2013
edited by PumpkinCalabaza
posted by PumpkinCalabaza
right on ! ) - ian-hill, Mar 4, 2013
Very true, amiga! - rac1, Mar 4, 2013
You are in there with a chance mate , a fair dinkum dimky- dye true blue Sheila , your blood is worth bottling. - ray76, Mar 4, 2013
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Who put this link into Ray's post

consumeropiniongroup.com/uk

So please please fill out your profile - [enter link description here][1]

profile.

[1]: http://consumeropiniongroup.com/uk/index2-p.php?engsec=7&t202kw=fill out

updated Mar 4, 2013
posted by ian-hill
It is unacceptable!! - rac1, Mar 3, 2013
It has gone now Annie - ian-hill, Mar 3, 2013
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And who put this link into my reply?

enter link description here

http://local.amazon.co.uk/subscribe?

updated Mar 4, 2013
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
I intend to find out. In the meantime, I do apologize. This is unacceptable. - rac1, Mar 3, 2013
This one has gone too Annie. - Very odd. - ian-hill, Mar 3, 2013
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Well said mate!

updated Mar 4, 2013
posted by pmikan-pam