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Sorry guys but I have decided not to respond to a post from someone who has not completed their profile - language levels and country.

Lo siento chicos pero he decidido no responder a un mensaje desde alguien que no ha completado su perfil - Los niveles de idioma y país.

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updated Mar 6, 2013
posted by ian-hill
It's like shooting in the dark! - rac1, Feb 5, 2013
I´ve thought about that too. It makes it so much harder without context of the speaker or questioner, not just the sentences and material. I wish SD would just make those required profile fields If someone has genuine privacy concerns, they can just lie - rogspax, Feb 5, 2013
Yep they can but how a stated language level can be dangerous I don't know. - ian-hill, Feb 5, 2013
But how do we know our language levels?? I agree, basically, but levels are sohard to assess.. - annierats, Feb 5, 2013
Agreed, we can't know,, but level can't be dangerous, Ian is right, and the info need not be precise to be useful. If I saw fluent vs beginner, I'd at least have an idea where to begin. - rogspax, Feb 5, 2013
I'm sorry to say, Ian, I don't think the management is interested in the foro, else they would pay anative corrector.. - annierats, Feb 7, 2013

13 Answers

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I started this as a comment but it turned out to be a little lengthy so I am putting it in as an answer.

Yeah, I back you up on that. How do we get everyone to understand that.? The most straightforward way that I can think of is to require a profile as a system requirement for posting a question. Do you have some "pull" with the administrators? A stop gap method would be to simply answer those posts with "Complete your profile, including language level and country, so we can better understand your situation and we will answer you."

updated Mar 6, 2013
edited by kirk1
posted by kirk1
Good idea - I will do that ( if I can be bothered, that is) :) - ian-hill, Feb 5, 2013
ditto ditto ditto. - rogspax, Feb 5, 2013
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I'm just bumping up my own plea.

If people want some help it is available here but if the "user" can't be bothered to fill out their profile - then I can't be bothered to offer any.

updated Feb 6, 2013
edited by ian-hill
posted by ian-hill
'zacly - rogspax, Feb 5, 2013
De acuerdo. - Jubilado, Feb 6, 2013
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Ok, I have to 'support' my 'sister' annierats, so here's another female contribution. Not a very logical one, as I indeed do not mind as much as you do, guys.

Yes, I do dislike the 0-0 profiles, and I also dislike people putting in 'fluent' when they cannot even write one flawless word in the language they are so fluent in; but the dislike isn't that strong.

If I go to a profile it usually is to find some more information on that person and then I am mainly interested in the info in 'more about myself'. I do not visit profiles that often .... I think I have seen all of the people I encounter here regularly in games and most of them have filled in that part of the form.
I have updated that info once (read: deleted 50% of the initial 'info') and I wonder how many of us do that regularly.

I cannot imagine feeling threatened by anyone knowing the things about me that SD asked me to fill in. I think that people who do see it as an invasion of their privacy should stay away from multiperson activities on this worldwide web altogether.

But I am really quite neutral, though I strongly prefer ReAL people, so I'm willing to back you guys up and reply in the suggested manner: "please fill in your profile blablabla"......

I strongly doubt, you want more female contributions after this ; - ) Hahahahahahahahahahha

updated Feb 7, 2013
edited by mcl020
posted by mcl020
I think it was a very logical post amiga, and I strongly agree with you about the 'fluent' part. That is really annoying. I like real people also, but I'm terrible for feeling sorry for someone who doesn't get any response, so I guess I have a problem. - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
Seemed plenty logical to me too. Your input is of course always welcome. I just thought the initial very uneven gender split was interesting. - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
And I agree with Margherite´s comment too. I do sometimes help when I feel sorry for them, If they were at least a bit polite,and gave me enough to go on (which gets back to the original topic) - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
Yes, I agree, I only check the profile if I write a PM about something, which is very rarely. - annierats, Feb 7, 2013
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I have repeatedly suggested that a "native language" field be added and that field displayed along with the user name and thumbnail pic on every question and answer. It could be placed just under the user name. A very simple fix.

Or instead of "native language" maybe a field "learning English/Spanish, select one" so we know too which language the question is referring. And it should be a required field.

I disagree with language level questions as they are very subjective. I had an issue with a couple of members disparaging me for the level I posted.

To make compliance simple the site could announce a start date for the mandatory field and then automatically log everyone off. Upon logging in again the field would be required to be completed before you could use the forum.

updated Feb 6, 2013
posted by gringojrf
:) - ian-hill, Feb 5, 2013
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On the other hand, most of us are capable of assesing which sex we are and where we come from. I'm in favour of having to put up basic information, it can't hurt anyone and would avoid many mistakes in our answers.

True, I can even do it in the dark.

And as a good citizen, am willing to ask for assistance when independent verifcation is required.

Note, I'm not advocating SD should require that.

updated Feb 6, 2013
posted by rogspax
You are bad! :-) What colour hair should the verification agent have? - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
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Also, this is a language with Genders. And one can´t always tell from a screen or avatar name the gender of the poster. That makes it impossible to correctly check their work in some cases. If this were only about English, the gender might be interesting and helpful for context, but I wouldn´t strongly miss not having it. Here, it´s really necessary. It also makes it easier for the answerers, who are after all, doing the questioner a favor, to write simpler answers, and not to put in things bonito(a), trabajadoro(a) etc etc.

updated Feb 7, 2013
posted by rogspax
Very true. - gringojrf, Feb 6, 2013
Agreed. I would have a heart attack if anyone assumed I was a man. hehehe - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
Well, Margherite, ehhh .... who assumed that I was a man???????????? - mcl020, Feb 6, 2013
But that was loooonnnnnggggg ago ;-)))) - mcl020, Feb 6, 2013
jajaja...that was the one time I S H O U L D have looked at your profile. I didn't 'read' your name very well and I still feel very bad about that amiga. I do have a terrible excuse though..it's because I've always associated mac with the mac truck and - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
I know this will be looked on as sexist, but I've never seen a woman driving a mac truck. It was all about the name, not about you and I apologize once more. I'm truly embarrassed. - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
No reason to apologize, it's long forgiven ... - mcl020, Feb 6, 2013
That´s funny. And to be truthful, and I have Zero idea why, I originally assumed mcl020 was a man´s name too. Maybe because men are far more likely to go by initials. I really don´t know. - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
But how many men would pick a bunny to represent them????????????? - mcl020, Feb 6, 2013
I once played at an online worldchampionship sudokusite and at first I only said "hi" and didn't speak any further with the people .... but they spoke a lot about me: things like: there is that American guy again, blablabla ... - mcl020, Feb 6, 2013
that site 'exploded' 3 or 4 years ago and I now am still talking to some of them! In real life nobody ever thinks I am a man ;-))))))) - mcl020, Feb 6, 2013
And I REALLY love (my) bunnies as much as I can love. So it is no 'empty' image. - mcl020, Feb 6, 2013
Which finally brings us back to the subject of profiles: I appreciate it if people tell sth about themselves. - mcl020, Feb 6, 2013
i just now realized it was a bunny. Now, it makes sense. - rogspax, Feb 7, 2013
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I agree Ian. I do think it's impossible to assess one's own language skill. Some people are intermediate one week and the very next week they have become natives.. Others stay beginners for life.

On the other hand, most of us are capable of assesing which sex we are and where we come from. I'm in favour of having to put up basic information, it can't hurt anyone and would avoid many mistakes in our answers.

updated Feb 6, 2013
posted by annierats
:) - ian-hill, Feb 5, 2013
:) - rogspax, Feb 5, 2013
I don't know if the 'capability' always holds true. At the university near me, they have do deal with people who want 'non gender specific' washrooms.It seems to be a trend that is spreading but for what reason I don't know. To me it's a waste of money... - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
you can pee no matter what image is on the door. Take your choice, but don't make the taxpayers pay for another one! grrrrrrrrrrrrr - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
;) - ray76, Feb 6, 2013
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I am right behind you Ian , I find this not only annoying , but a little disrespectful.

I am tired of flying in the dark , not knowing who or what someone is , can lead

to an embarrassing answer or comment , so be upfront and front up .

updated Feb 6, 2013
posted by ray76
:) - ian-hill, Feb 6, 2013
Agreed Ray, though I´m sure many younger folks aren´t trying to be disrespectful, or even lazy. I try to keep and open mind, and think that some of them, just like me... - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
just get tired of the many many profiles people have to fill out, especially for finance and academia. As such, I don´t judge automatically that it´s disrespect, even though I lean that way a bit too. - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
I understand you mate Rog, but we have been together here for a long time , and we are not asking for intimate or financial info, merely a general idea of what and who you are so we may show you a respectful response. - ray76, Feb 6, 2013
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I agree that it is useful to know someone self assessed level of fluency. It is equally valuable to know their native language and country. All of this is pretty safe information to reveal. So what is the issue.?

updated Feb 6, 2013
posted by gohern
Agreed, I´m not sure it´s so much an issue, as a matter that it´s not been required. And people will often to the bare minimum when they can get away with it. - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
Frankly, requiring more, might sift out some of the more blatant, lazy, do-my-homework-for-me type requests (which is different than those who try, but need help) - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
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If this is a petition consider this my signature!

When I see someone with 3 zeros I assume they are looking for a homework answer regardless of how well they write the posting.

Please! Don't allow zeros after English and Spanish in the profile. There needs to be a word after each (perhaps in a dropdown menu) such as: beginner, intermediate, limited usage, frequent usage, advanced, fluent. Gender should be required. These three fields should be required before postings can be made. You can take birthday out that really doesn't tell us much.

updated Feb 6, 2013
posted by Jubilado
:) - ian-hill, Feb 6, 2013
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Hmmmm, just noticed with the exception of Annie, all the advocates stumping here are guys. Are we all being too control-freaky? wink

Or just more comfortable with the idea of having more personal information made public maybe?

Just thought it was interesting.

updated Feb 6, 2013
posted by rogspax
It's a very interesting thought rogspax. From all the news reports, it seems females need to be more cautious on the internet. As far as looking at profiles goes, I'm with gringojrf and hardly ever look at profiles until I get to 'know' the person. - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
May I offer the group chilled chai lattes? :-) - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
Because that´s what ladies do? :) In any event, yes. And light on the sugar please hon. ;) - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
Well, I wouldn't dare to post anything about being able to 'find certain things out in the dark';-))) - mcl020, Feb 6, 2013
I don´t tend to look at them right away, but in the cases where they´re asking about one language, in a broken version of the other, and there are adjectives requiring gender endings, I Do look before I know them. And when it´s blank, can´t help as well. - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
jaja mc...you would have to feel your way around the subject! - 0095ca4c, Feb 6, 2013
Once again, you ladies are hilarious. Thanks for making me laugh. Crazy hectic two weeks I´m in the middle of, so I can use it. - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
Margherte , on the point of ladies having to be "more " cautious on the internet, you should read some of my unsolicited Emails . - ray76, Feb 6, 2013
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Well. I'm lazy. There I said it. I never go to users to look at the profile before answering a question. That's why I advocate a Learning: Spanish/English or a Native Language: Spanish/English be displayed below the user name on every question and answer.

updated Feb 6, 2013
posted by gringojrf
Not a bad idea at all. But the information still has be sought, entered, and collected, regardless of where it is ultimately displayed. - rogspax, Feb 6, 2013
Agreed. But these are objective pieces of information not subjective like level of proficiency. After more thought I like the Learning: Spanish/English/Both as a mandatory dropdown selection. - gringojrf, Feb 6, 2013
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The most straightforward way that I can think of is to require a profile as a system requirement for posting a question. Do you have some "pull" with the administrators? A stop gap method would be to simply answer those posts with "Complete your profile, including language level and country, so we can better understand your situation and we will answer you."

I'm all for that. The good thing about that is,even if the site doesn't adopt it, a large number of users could, and it would defacto trend to becoming the norm.

And yes, though level is subjective, it needn't be perfect to be useful, At least having a vague, even if imperfectly accurate assessment is a good starting point, and much better than nothing. This is not a case where rigor is required.

Also, a simple extra sentence in the sighup procedure mentioning that more will respond, and will respond better,, would go at least a good ways to getting people to fill the info out.

Otoh, sites like this are run by advertising, and a site owner wouldn't readily adopt anything that might deter new users. We, as current users, can make it clear, by both statements and actions, that W.E. require it.

Very good thoughts Ian.

updated Feb 6, 2013
posted by rogspax
:) - ian-hill, Feb 6, 2013