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Today's Subjunctive verb - "Venir " ' to come '

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1A. First concept of Subjunctive --- Direct or Indirect commands.


1B. When one person expresses his will that someone else do something.

1 I suggest that she come at once. (Sugiero que venga en seguida.) 2 They demanded that we be there on time. ( Ellos exigieron que estemos allí a tiempo.) 3 I beg you not to tell it to me. (Te ruego que no me lo digas). 4 We want you to teach us the dance. (Queremos que nos enseñes el baile.) 5 It’s important that yo do it right away. (Es importante que lo hagas en seguida.) 6 They insist that we return tomorrow (Insisten en que volvamos mañana) 7 We are going to write him to send it to them. (Vamos a escribirle que se lo mande.)


2A. Second concept of Subjunctive---Emotion


2B. Main clause expresses emotion about the action that follows.

I hope she comes. (Espero que venga.) 2 It surprises me that you (should/are) doing that.( Me sorprende que lo hagas). 3 The teacher doesn’t like that he falls asleep in class.( No le gusta al maestro que se duerma en la clase.) 4 I’m sorry that he is sick. (Siento que esté malo.) 5 They are afraid that Ray will leave today. (Temen que Ray se vaya hoy.) 6 I’m happy that she is better. (Me alegro de que esté mejor) 7 He hopes that we recognize him. (Espera que lo reconozcamos.)


3A. Third concept of Subjunctive--- Unreality


3B.. When the main clause expresses uncertainty, denial, doubt.

1 Is it possible that he eats so much? (¿Es posible que coma tanto?) 2 I don’t believe that he will anger me.. (No creo que me enfade.)

3C. Conjunctions that introduce the “subordinate clause” make the action uncertain, indefinite, doubtful

1 In case you see him, tell him that I want to talk to them. (En caso de que lo veas, dile que quiero hablarles.) 2 We won’t share it unless you pay us. (No lo compartiremos a menos que nos pague.)

3D.. Conjunction of time intoduces action that has not yet been completed

1 Before you get fat, stop eating. (Antes de que te pongas gorda, deje de comer.) 2 When the phone rings, answer it. (Cuando suene el teléfono, contéstalo.)

3E. “Subordinate clause” refers back to something non-existent, indefinite, or imagined, (In an adjectival clause (if) the antecedente is something or someone that is indefinite, negative, vague, or non-exsitent.

1 Busco un libro que tenga todas las respuestas. ( “Que”-is the relative pronoun) refers (to “un libro”-which is the antecedent) “un libro” is indefinite. Thus, “Subordinate clause” must be “subjunctive."

2 ¿Hay alguien que entienda todo? “alguien-somewhat vague antecedent” “que- relative pronoun = “Subjunctive” in “Subordinate Clause."

3 No hay “nadie” (indefinit,vague antecedent) que baile como ella. ¿Hay un lápiz que escriba en tres colores?


4A. Uses of Imperfect subjunctive.


4B. When the main clause is in the past and a subjunctive is required.

1 I wanted you to go. ( Quería que fueras) , 2 I told them to call me. (Les dije que me llamaren)

4C. When subjunctive subordinate clause refers to a past action

1 I can’t believe that he did it. (No creo que lo hiciera), 2 It’s a pitty that they were sick. (Es lástima que estuvieran malos). 3 I can’t believe that you killed it. (No creo que Ud. lo matara)

4D. When conjunction of time introduces action that (had) not yet been completed.

1 She told us that she would wait until we returned. )Nos dijo que esperaría hasta que volviéramos.)

2 He promise to call me as soon as he could. (Prometió llamarme así que pudiera)


5A. Review of ( si ) ( if )


5B. When (si ) introduces present tense, a subjunctive is never used. If he eats…, Spanish regards it as meaning “suppose”, or “assuming” which is the indicative. But, when (si) refers to something “contrary to fact”, then Spanish uses the imperfect subjunctive.

Compare the four below----

1 Present indicative – If I have time (assuming I do), I will do. (Si tengo tiempo, iré)

2 Imperfect subjunctive – If I had time (but I don’t) I would go. (Si tuviera tiempo, iría.)

3 Present Indicative – If he is rich (assuming he is), he will buy it. (Si es rico lo comprará)

4 Imperfect subjunctive – If he were rich (but he's not), he would buy it. (Si fuera rico, lo compraría)

6A. Some “Personal” expressions 100% always imply doubt, uncertainty, or denial

Es possible que…Es imposible que…No es verdad que….,No es cierto que….Es probable que…Es improbable que…Es fácil (likely) que…Es dfícil (unlikely) que…

6B. Indirect or Impied commands…such as, but not limited to….introduce subjunctives

Es importante que…..(It’s important that….)

Insisten en que…..(They insist that……)

7A. Some “conjunctions” 100% always uncertainty, or indefinite.

(In case)-En caso de que…,,(unless)-A menos que…,(provided that)- Con tal que…(Before) Antes de que…

8A. “conjunctions “50-50% may or may not… “depending on what the speaker says”

(although,even though, even if) – aunque, (granted that) Dado que,

9A “Conjunctions of time” 50-50% “depending if uncompleted, pending, unfulfilled.

(when) cuando, (after) después de que, (as soon as) así que, (until )hasta que


10A. “creer” used in subjunctive


It is the speaker’s expression of “Certainty vs Doubt” not he word itself which calls for indicative or subjunctive. The speaker is in the drivers seat.

1 ¿Cree ud. que vengan? Do you think they’ll come? (I doubt it) 2 ¿Cree ud. que vendrán? Do you think that they’ll come? (i assume they will) 3 ¿Crees que lloverá? Do you think that it will rain? ( I don’t know, but it looks that way to me) 4 ¿Çrees que llueva mañana? Do think that it will rain tomorrow? ( I don’t know…I have my doubt) 5 No creo que lo hizo. I don’t believe that he did it (I’m sure he didn’t) 6 No creo que lo hiciera. I don’t believe that he did it. (But, I’m not sure)

Some comparisions of Present-Imperfect subjunctives

1 Quiero que ud. le hable. I want you to call him 2 Quería que ud. le llamara. I wanted you to call him 3 Salgamos antes de que vuelvan. Let’s leave before they return. 4 Salimos antes de que volvieran. We left before they returned. 5 No creía que fuera ella. I didn’t believe that it was her. 6 No creo que fuera ella. I don’t believe (presently) that it was her.


11 A. If the subject doesn’t change, then we have only one clause and there is no room for subjunctive at all.


Espera venir – (He hopes to come)

Sentimos estar tan lejos – (We are sorry we’re so far away.)

No puedo creer que lo comí todo – (I can’t believe I ate the whole thing)

This is just an overview and does not include “haber” or compound tenses.

I give you the “verb” . You use it in a subjunctive sentence.

The verb for today is “ Venir ” ‘to come’


Write sentences with "Venir " in the Subjunctive mood.


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updated Sep 2, 2012
posted by viejito
Thanks viejito! I have always dreaded subjunctives. Great introduction for me. - amaken, Aug 31, 2012
Gracias, Viejito! :)) - iana01, Sep 1, 2012

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"Es importante que vengáis a clase," dijo la profesora.

"It's very important that you all come to class," said the professor.

updated Sep 2, 2012
posted by joshhh317
I knew that you would come through, Josh. Good job. :) - viejito, Aug 31, 2012
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Sinceremente espero que el venga a ver a GraceM porque parece que entonces se pondría feliz.

I really hope he comes to see GraceM because it seems that then she would be happy.

updated Sep 2, 2012
edited by pml222
posted by pml222
It’s nice, however…I might have written, “I sincerely hope he comes to see GraceM because it seems to me that then she would be happy.” - viejito, Aug 31, 2012
“Yo espero sinceramente que él venga a ver a GraceM porque me parece que entonces ella se pondría feliz.” Just a suggestion/ opinion. Its worthy of a vote, Thanks ☺ - viejito, Aug 31, 2012
Gracias viejito. I did think about putting in 'ella' to avoid confusion - should have gone for it ;-) - pml222, Aug 31, 2012
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¡Venga España!

Go Spain go!

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updated Sep 1, 2012
edited by annierats
posted by annierats
:) - viejito, Aug 31, 2012
I love that costume. :) - viejito, Aug 31, 2012
I thought you would. The Spanish colours, nothing else, I don't suppose - annierats, Sep 1, 2012
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In case you come tell them that I want them to come with you as soon as possible.

En caso de que vengas, diles que quiero que vengan contigo tan pronto como sea posible.

updated Sep 2, 2012
posted by iana01
Thanks, :) - viejito, Sep 1, 2012
;)) - iana01, Sep 2, 2012
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No era fácil cuando viniese a Chile aprender español.

It wasn't easy when I came to Chile to learn Spanish.

updated Sep 2, 2012
posted by katydew
If you’ll notice the format above concerning subjunctive usage # 11 A. “If the subject doesn’t change than we have only one clause and no subjunctive mood. - viejito, Sep 2, 2012
So, I probably would have said. “No era fácil cuando vine a Chile para aprender Español.” – Just an idea/opinion. Thanks, worth the vote. ☺ - viejito, Sep 2, 2012
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Estoy deseando que vengas aquí para verme y saber que por despiadada que has sido, esta noche me muero de ganas de pensar en tu belleza.

I can't wait for you to come here to see me and know that no matter how heartless you have been, tonight I'm dying to think about your beauty.

updated Sep 1, 2012
posted by Fidalgo
Nice. I might have said, “No puedo esperar a que vengas aquí a verme y que sepas que a mi no me importa que has sido despiadada. Esta noche me muero de ganas de pensar en la belleza tuya.” But, just an opinion. Worth the vote. ☺ - viejito, Aug 31, 2012
VIejito...I was talking about this to a native, apparently "No puedo esperar.." sounds weird, instead they use "Tener ganas de (que) to express "I can't wait" - BradyLabuda, Aug 31, 2012
¿Les importaría decirme que pude utilizar "I'm wishing you came here" en la traducción inglesa? - Fidalgo, Aug 31, 2012
Altough that's fine, it's more common to say "I wish you came here.." or as you put "I can't wait for you to come..." In Spanish, I think this translated as "Tengo muchas ganas de que vengas..." - BradyLabuda, Sep 1, 2012
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  • ''Al parecer si yo viniera a las reuniónes todas las mañanas, sabría por que se quejan tanto sobre la información.''

  • '' It seems that if i came to the meetings every morning , i would know why they complain so much about the information.''

updated Aug 31, 2012
edited by Ox-Y-Gen
posted by Ox-Y-Gen
Just to prevent ambiguity, I might add "yo" in front of "viniera" to establish ( I ). Thanks, gets a vote :) - viejito, Aug 31, 2012
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Le dije que estaría contenta por verlo cuando viniera de Inglaterra, pero aún no ha venido.

I told him I would be happy to see him when he came from England, but he still hasn't come.

updated Aug 31, 2012
posted by GraceM
:) - viejito, Aug 31, 2012
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In regards to...Fidalguinho response above. Weigh everything.

Yes, BradyLabuda…there are many ways to say something in Spanish. The Spanish language is not restricted to one sentence, one native for every idea. How many ways can you say something in English? What about the people in other English speaking countries?

{(“Tener ganas de algo/hacer algo ) (una expression de sentir) – is to feel like doing sthg….from the “University of Mexico”.} “I feel like going”... can be used in an expression to mean “ I can’t wait to ...”.

El español es una lengua hablada por alrededor de 400 millones de personas en el mundo. No es ninguna sorpresa, entonces, que la lengua posea una gran diversidad de varientes, de pronunciación, de sintaxis, de morfología, y de léxico.

(" sounds weird, instead they use ) (who are they? Are they professionals?) Lo que sueña extraña a una persona está aceptada como común a otras. A menos que un nativo tenga un doctorado en español y pueda explicarnos algo distinta, y con criterios, los comentarios suyos no valen más que opiniones.

Los nativos provienen de diversos países. Los dialectos y coloquialismos influyeron las lenguas. No hay ningún país o individuo hispano con conocimientos especiales en cuanto a lo que es correcto o incorrecto para todos.

Con el correr de los años, el español ha ido evolucionando y enriqueciéndose, dando lugar así a las diferentes variedades del español americano. Actualmente hablamos un mismo idioma, pero con variantes que no impiden comprendernos. Entonces, este cambio no es un obstáculo para comunicarmos, sino que es una muestra de la riqueza de una lengua tan difundida y extendida en un gran continente.

Remember, I offer no more then opinions and suggestions. smile

updated Sep 1, 2012
edited by viejito
posted by viejito