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Relative pronouns : subject and object

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Hi, I am doing the exercise on relative pronouns & musical instruments BUT i am a little confused about the following examples.

1) Conoces a mi tio Harris que toca la trompeta - Here the teacher says that "que" means "who" because Harris is the subject

However in the following example she says that "que" means "whom" because "El professor" is the Object

2) El profesor que conci ayer toca el piano de cola

the problem i have is i dont understand why HARRIS is the Subject and yet EL PROFESSOR is the object i would say they are both the subject ???

Many thanks in advance

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updated Jun 7, 2012
posted by bobbienicole
Typo in 2) El profesor que conocí ... - Esteban3304, Jun 6, 2012

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Look at this. "Harris" isn't the subject.

1) Conoces a mi tío Harris que toca la trompeta.

In this sentence:

(Tú) = subject. (In Spanish you can omit the subject, not in English. In this case, "Tú" has been omit, but it's the subject.

(Tú) conoces a mi tío Harris que toca la trompeta.

a mi tío Harris = Indirect Object.

2) El profesor que conocí ayer toca el piano de cola.

El profesor = Subject too

updated Jun 6, 2012
edited by josemaloru
posted by josemaloru
Hi- thanks for your response but according to the teacher in the video that teaches this section my response is exactly what she says? - bobbienicole, Jun 6, 2012
therfore is the teacher wrong ? - bobbienicole, Jun 6, 2012
"a mi tio Harris" = Direct Obj. Please see my answer. - Esteban3304, Jun 6, 2012
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Let's just start with learning how to figure out who the subject is in any sentence - start by isolating your verb and then work out who is doing the action of the verb. This will be your subject, or if there is more than one verb, such as in your example, your subjects smile

So for your first example you have two verbs is conocer and tocar - who is knowing? It has been conjugated into the tú form so it must be tú - tú is the subject of conocer. Then in the next part (the relative clause) who does the 'toca' apply to? Harris 'toca' so Harris is the subject of tocar.

I'll leave the rest as Esteban has done such a great job of explaining but for future reference I hope that this introduction to direct and indirect objects might be helpful smile

DIrect and Indirect Objects - An introduction

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updated Jun 7, 2012
posted by Kiwi-Girl
Me encanta el dibujo. La únca observación que tengo es que "flores" es femenino, o sea, "las flores". - cocotica, Jun 7, 2012
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1) Conoces a mi tio Harris que toca la trompeta - Here the teacher says that "que" means "who" because Harris is the subject.

Harris is the direct object in the sentence and the "antecedent" of the relative pronoun "que". In the relative clause "Harris toca la trompeta" is the subject in the relative clause, and therefore "who" is the correct pronoun to use.

However in the following example she says that "que" means "whom" because "El professor" is the Object

2) El profesor que conocí ayer toca el piano de cola

In this case, again, it would have been better to mention that the noun that the relative pronoun refers to is called the "antecedent". The antecedent here is functioning as the subject of the sentence. But in the relative clause, it is functioning at the object..."Whom I met yesterday". So in this case, the English version would be "whom".

I hope this has cleared things up. Actually, I found another great link that explains this in greater detail than the other links:

http://www.englishlanguageguide.com/english/grammar/relative-pronoun.asp

Just so you know, josemaloru erred in saying:

(Tú) conoces a mi tío Harris que toca la trompeta.

a mi tío Harris = Indirect Object.

"a mi tio Harris" is the direct object. Any time the personal "a" is used, what follows it is a direct object. Here is a site that backs this point up.

*** Begin of quote from studyspanish.com

In Spanish, when the direct object is a person, it is preceded by the preposition "a." This word has no English translation.

Jorge llama a María. Jorge calls María.

***End of quote from studyspanish.com

updated Jun 7, 2012
edited by Esteban3304
posted by Esteban3304
I must admit that pronouns get me in a twist sometimes however the teacher is "paralee" the teacher who features in all the spanshdict videos !! I will double check that its not me ! - Thank you . - bobbienicole, Jun 6, 2012
here's the link, i would be greatful if you clarify this with me again http://www.spanishdict.com/learn/show/99 - bobbienicole, Jun 6, 2012
Oh heck. I'll just edit my answer and then you delete you comments, and we'll start again ok? - Esteban3304, Jun 6, 2012
I hope that my edited answer will be completely clear to you. If not, please comment again, and good luck with your Spanish. - Esteban3304, Jun 6, 2012
hi Esteban, Yes it´s starting to make sense, me and pronouns !!!! The problems bascially stemmed from the second example as i just couldnt understand why El Professor is the Object as both constructions look identical, still working on it. Many thanks ! - bobbienicole, Jun 7, 2012