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This is a learning site. Why would someone ask that I use proper punctuation, etc., when that is what I am learning?

This is a learning site. Why would someone ask that I use proper punctuation, etc., when that is what I am learning?

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Please see above

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updated Apr 3, 2012
edited by --Mariana--
posted by coco04
If I am not being corrected, I will not learn the proper way to write. It has helped me very much. - pmikan-pam, Apr 2, 2012

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If you are an native English speaker, write correctly. This is also an English learning site. If you are learning Spanish, then use proper punctuation for that too. If you write sentences with improper grammar, you are just digging yourself a hole that will be hard to get out of. I see some people write things like, "q pasa?" When they should write, "Que pasa".

It is lazy to write without correct spelling, etc, just because it takes more work and thoughts.

updated Apr 2, 2012
posted by 00cdfbd9
If you are a native..... - MaryMcc, Apr 2, 2012
Yes, like I said, If you are a native then write with correct punctuation. - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
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Welcome to the forum, Coco.

If you fill out your profile and let us know what language(s) you are learning it would be much easier to answer your questions.

If you are fluent or advanced in English, use correct spelling, punctuation, etc. Same thing if you are fluent or advanced in Spanish.

Kat said:

It is lazy to write without correct spelling, etc.

Exactly.

updated Apr 3, 2012
posted by --Mariana--
Sorry Kat and Mariana, I disagree that it is always just laziness. That assumes that everyone using this site has at least a high school education. And frankly there are many high school educated people who have lousy grammar. - gringojrf, Apr 2, 2012
Here is a anecdote but it is true. Several years ago companies hiring college graduates were asked what the candidates lacked in preparation for the job market. The answer was the ability to write in English. - gringojrf, Apr 2, 2012
Tell it as it is Gringo. I have been waiting for this for a long long time. - mikecarroll, Apr 2, 2012
Okay, Gringojrf, that's your opinion of course. I never was able to go to school, but I wanted to learn. So, I think laziness has a great deal to do with it.... - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
@gringo--That´s still the case; it´s in British news right now. Companies say graduates looking for jobs can´t even write a proper essay! - missy8888, Apr 3, 2012
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Just to be provocative I am going to take the other side of this question. In the USA there are many "functionally illiterate people who can not read or write yet can speak either fairly well or very well. Then there are those who are fluent in English but have trouble with writing in English. It is estimated that as many as 40 million adults in the US cannot read or write (I personally believe it is much lower, maybe less than half of that)* yet I assume that they can talk and communicate ideas verbally, many can speak fluently. Then when you consider non native speakers from other countries you have a vast population with less than college level reading and writing skills.

So by the SD policies these people are not welcome here. I don't agree with that. If we are a Spanish and ENGLISH learning site then we should be here to help this group as well. As long as the question can be understood it should be responded to with an answer along with help with both languages spelling and grammar. After all the purpose of language is communication and most communication is verbal not written.

Having said all this, it does not forgive laziness and text speak. But an answer and request to use proper spelling and grammar is the correct response.

Just my opinion.

*Methodology for determining literacy vary greatly and I never trust statistics from a biased source.

updated Apr 2, 2012
edited by gringojrf
posted by gringojrf
They will never learn if they are not corrected.:):) - rac1, Apr 2, 2012
I guess you didn't read my response. I said correct but correct with an answer to the question. - gringojrf, Apr 2, 2012
I think that the issue we face and are addressing here is not one of illiteracy, rather one of laziness or even the lack of import placed on writing correctly. Everyone has access to automatic spell-checkers and knows that full stops and commas... - afowen, Apr 2, 2012
Just because English is your native language there should not be an assumption that your spelling and grammar is perfect or even very good. But I hate responses that only say "pleaae use proper punctuation and grammar" or something similar. - gringojrf, Apr 2, 2012
... are an essential part of writing correctly. Of course learners might not know that in English, certain words need to be capitalised, I doubt there are many that genuinely do not know that I needs to be capitalised... - afowen, Apr 2, 2012
Afowen, I agree that some of it is laziness but not all. I'll leave it at that. - gringojrf, Apr 2, 2012
I doubt that people whose native language is English, but who are incapable of writing correctly, will be the ones who undertake the trouble to learn a second language. - mcl020, Apr 2, 2012
But if they do - or if anyone else does for that matter => you know you join a LEARNiNG site. So it is all about correct spelling and grammar. - mcl020, Apr 2, 2012
The assumption that native speakers automatically read and write well is never made: we all have tofill in our profile in which we ourselves can make it clear whether perfectionism is to be expected of us or not. - mcl020, Apr 2, 2012
MCL020, I have to disagree with you on a couple of points. In my opinion almost everyone obrn and raised in a language is fluent in that language regardless of their level of ability to read or write that language. - gringojrf, Apr 2, 2012
Also you stated that you don't..""I doubt that....will be the ones to undertake....learn a second language" There are thousands of hispanohablantes wriking in all fields of .... - gringojrf, Apr 2, 2012
....endeavorin the US and along side of them are English speakers who may want to be able to communicated with them for work and socially. For example, in the construction trades, many worker have only a high school education or less. - gringojrf, Apr 2, 2012
The question (when filling in your profile) is: what is your level. The possible answers are: beginner, intermediate, advanced and fluent. It is obvious that 'fluent' here means something else than "being able to express yourself verbally". - mcl020, Apr 2, 2012
The English speakers who haven't had the opportunity to master writing skills, should not fill in fluently and then nobody could expect the impossible of them. - mcl020, Apr 2, 2012
This site is not äbout verbal communication, but about writing. And in writing proper spelling and grammar is essential. - mcl020, Apr 2, 2012
I agree with MC. - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
I honestly don't think SD is 'overasking' people by asking to fill in their profile or by asking for questions-according-to-the-rules. - mcl020, Apr 2, 2012
They are not, you are correct mc. The rules are good ones and they are there for a reason. - rac1, Apr 2, 2012
It's not that hard. The problem is laziness. Pure and simple. People don't want to take the time to do it themselves, so they burden themselves on others and then on the process goes. If we do not demand people to fill in their profiles and use correct - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
punctuation, etc, this site would be impossible to learn on. I can say for myself I have improved in my English from learning Spanish on here. ;) As weird as it sounds.... - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
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We ask that people use proper punctuation because this is an English and Spanish learning site. There are people learning English here and we want them to learn the correct ways to write in English Therefore, spelling and punctuation is corrected so that the English learners do not get confused and so that they learn the correct rules of punctuation and capitalization. It is the same with the learners of Spanish. I am frequently corrected in my Spanish writings for these errors. And from time to time, I make an error in English spelling and capitalization and I am corrected. I invite all corrections and am very thankful for all the correctors here.

updated Apr 2, 2012
posted by sanlee
Great answer, Sandy. There isn't any shame in being corrected after all.... - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
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Because one of the ways to learn something is to do it? You won't learn how to use punctuation properly if you don't try.

updated Apr 2, 2012
posted by Fantasmal
Good answer! - --Mariana--, Apr 2, 2012
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Hello,

I agree with most of you and I have a suggestion if you don't mind. Some of us have the option to edit posts so if you know the correct spelling or punctuation, please don't close the thread in haste. Rather, correct it and try to answer the question if you can. I am talking about simple punctuation, capitalization and spelling errors here, and not the complete disregard of posting rules and butchery of the language.

Good questions with simple spelling mistakes are tolerable as I understand that some of us don't speak or write English and Spanish well. That's why we ask for help. What I find rather lazy and annoying is when someone asks for one word translations when we have three dictionaries available. All they have to do is click the translate tab.

Anyway, I do not speak English fluently so if you find mistakes in my spelling, grammar and punctuation, you're more than welcome to correct me. wink

updated Apr 8, 2012
posted by cheskasullivan
I agree. - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
Thanks Kat - cheskasullivan, Apr 2, 2012
Of course, amiguita! :) - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
Agreed! - 002262dd, Apr 2, 2012
I think you have done very well with your English.:):) - rac1, Apr 2, 2012
I agree with Rac1, you could´ve fooled me as a native English speaker! - missy8888, Apr 3, 2012
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As Sanlee has already said: you are not alone in this site: others want to learn as well. And most of them already understand that corrections are only beneficial.
It would get very confusing if nobody paid any attention to errors. It is a learning site and the primary purpose of this forum is L E A R N I N G.

updated Apr 2, 2012
posted by mcl020
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I am in agreement with Mariana, in that the first thing I check,before asking someone to use proper punctuation, is their profile. You'd be shocked at how many list themselves as fluent in English, and then write a sentence like this;

i am interested in how i could find out how to learn to write in spanish can somebody help me cause id really like to know

I myself make many typos, and other mistakes, I recognize this. On the other hand when others, who claim to be fluent in English or Spanish, make the same fundamental punctuation errors, time and time again, I can only conclude that it is out of laziness, or they simply don't care enough about their first language, which makes me wonder about their capacity to learn a second. This is just my opinion.

updated Apr 3, 2012
posted by 002262dd
Hey, I say I'm an Advanced or Intermediate English speaker! ;) I think people overestimate themselves sometimes.... - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
Yeah Kat, that unneeded capitalisation of advanced and intermediate definitely puts you in the 'struggling basic' category in my book :-p - afowen, Apr 2, 2012
Well, thanks, Afowen. Appreciate your "support".... Let me ask YOU something. Was that comment even necessary? - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
afowen, that's "capitalization." Everybody makes mistakes, we are talking about lack of basic punctuation. - 002262dd, Apr 2, 2012
Kat, had my comment been serious then it would have been more than uncalled for. I had imagined that you'd have seen that it was a joke by both it´s extreme nature and the pokey outey tounge. Giz a hug! - afowen, Apr 2, 2012
José, mi Inglés es Británico... - afowen, Apr 2, 2012
Oh. I see. Okay, Afowen. I'll try to be less uptight. lol.... - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
And after all our banter last week Kat - doh! :-D - afowen, Apr 2, 2012
Yeah well.... I'm a bit irritable today. Haha. - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012
Now this is what I call an animated site. Much much better when we fight. - mikecarroll, Apr 2, 2012
Here are some picture of some cute monkeys to cheer you up Kat http://afowen.com/blog/2010/10/25/a-picture-of-some-cute-stuff-for-sarah/ - afowen, Apr 2, 2012
Awwwww, so cute!!! Thanks! :D - 00cdfbd9, Apr 2, 2012