'Por' o 'Para' los cuales...

Question

• por los cuales

• para los cuales

He visto ambos ("por" más que "para"), y quisiera saber cuál es correcto. Un amigo (que es hablante nativo de español) me dijo que "para los cuales" suena muy raro y siempre debo usar "por" con "los cuales".

¿Qué opinan? ¿Será posible que ambos son correctos?

Gracias... =D

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• Ya sé las diferencias entre "por" y "para"... por favor, no me las expliquen...

Answer 1

They are both correct but they are used in different sitiations.

• Por lo cual. = Whereby, Whence. It is used for a singular reason.
• Para los cuales = ...for which... It is used for more than one reason
• I.E. ¡Usted está llegando demasiado tarde a clases, por lo cual nos hemos visto en la necesidad de llamar a sus padres!. = Singular
• ¡Hay dos razones por las cuales voy a tener que lamarle la atención! = Plural
• Tengo un pantalón nuevo para el cual necesito una camisa roja. = Singular
• Tenemos varios juegos para los cuales hay que pagar mil pesos. = Plural

Why do you suppose my friend told me that? - NikkiLR, Feb 25, 2012

And, can you also give an example with "para los cuales" ?? - NikkiLR, Feb 25, 2012

Sorry, I just added the "para los cuales" I think that your friend was confused, or you may have used "para los cuales" in a wrong way or situation and he/she was thrown off. Just a guess! - farallon7, Feb 25, 2012

Well, he just said using "para" with "los cuales, las cuales ect" sounded bad to him... in any situation. Perhaps it is regional... - NikkiLR, Feb 25, 2012

Hmm, interesting his point of view, but I can trully tell you that "para los cuales or para las cuales" is perfect Spanish! - farallon7, Feb 26, 2012

Thank you very much. I also had another friend from Spain explain this to me. With the help of both of you, I understand about 90 percent better now... jeje. - NikkiLR, Feb 26, 2012

Answer 2

Well, por los cuales = by which and para los cuales = for which. Both, por and para are prepositions. And I guess in that sentence you could use either one. Weird, I never thought of that!

I was told to choose "por" when I normally would use "por" and the same thing with para. - NikkiLR, Feb 26, 2012

Like in your example with the videojuegos, you can use "por" because you pay 1,000 peso POR los juegos and you can use "para" because you pay "para obtener los juegos"... I am not sure if that makes sense, but that is how my friend explained it. :D - NikkiLR, Feb 26, 2012

Exactly! That is totally correct! Por = you had to pay for them and para = in order to get them. - farallon7, Feb 26, 2012

Oh, great!!! I don't know what I would do without this forum... :D Thank you very much! - NikkiLR, Feb 26, 2012

My pleasure Nikki! You actually challenged me with this question! Thanks! - farallon7, Feb 26, 2012

Jeje...I tend to ask a lot of questions. :D - NikkiLR, Feb 26, 2012

Answer 3

http://studyspanish.com/lessons/porpara.htm

Gracias, pero ya sé las diferencias... :) - NikkiLR, Feb 25, 2012

Answer 4

Tenemos varios juegos para los cuales hay que pagar mil pesos. = Plural

First, thank you for the answer! I understand everything with the plural and singular, but I just don't get the por vs para here.

In this sentence could you also say "por los cuales", right? I see it would have a slightly different meaning, though.

Answer 5

Diffrence of ''para'' and ''por'', both mean ''for'', thus : ''para'' is for purpose detrmining action, and goes mostly with form of infnitive ''para tomar, para buscar'', ''to take, or in order to take, to search or ''in order to search'' etc, while por, means ''addressing to, or for ex. 3 x 3= 3 por tres hace 9 (nueve), alsocan be used in the phrase ''by means of'' =por medio de..etc, is thus redacted with akkusative as OBJECT, Thanking you Caterina