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The incorrect use of extra words when translating from language to language.

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I have noticed that many, many times here in Span¡shD!ct.com when translating from English to Spanish, the website tends to place an extra el, la, los or las. I.E. Fruits = Frutas, no "Las frutas" Otherwise, it would be "The fruits"

  • If you go to the main page, you can see these on the left side of the page:

1-Animals = Los animales 2-Professions = Las profesiones 3-Geography = La geografía etc. All those are incorrect translations. It should be: Animales, Profesiones, Geografía. It actually sounds goofy in Spanish.

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updated Mar 8, 2012
edited by farallon7
posted by farallon7
Welcome, welcome, and again welcome. I am more than interested in any feedback you have to offer. In this case , I wonder if the article is to indicate whether the noun is masculine or feminine. - Leatha, Feb 16, 2012
I do understand the article indicates the gender and if it is plural or singular. I do know that. The issue here is: When translating a single word from English to Spanish, it should translate JUST the word. Don't add an article. There is no reason. - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
You mispelled Span¡shD!ct.com jeje - DJ_Huero, Feb 16, 2012
Ha ha ha! Cute DJ! - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
Well, you did... and you seem quite anal about perfection. Funny part, you still haven't fixed it 15 hours later. Just saying...=] - DJ_Huero, Feb 17, 2012
Juvenile. - farallon7, Feb 17, 2012
Sabelotodo... ¿ya vamos a tirar chingazos? jajaja - DJ_Huero, Feb 17, 2012
Have a badge Farralon. I understand what you're saying, and Paralee too. I don't think you should have had accusations of being anal made. Just saying. :) - 001b709c, Mar 7, 2012
Thanks terrohound! - farallon7, Mar 8, 2012

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Hi farallon7,

I wrote the titles for all of those flashcards several years ago, so I guess I'm the best person to explain why they are they way they are.

It is my understanding that when referring to a noun or group of nouns in a general sense, or nouns that represent a class noun referring to all such nouns, you use the definite article. Food (in general) = La comida, Work (in general) = El trabajo, etc. Also, when Spanish nouns are the subject, they always have an article unless they are proper names, and being that they are the title of a section, I guess that makes them the subject smile

This is the way it appears in all of my textbooks as well.

updated Feb 17, 2012
posted by Paralee
So, was I on the right track then? - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
Correct, this is basic classroom taught stuff. - DJ_Huero, Feb 16, 2012
Btw, besos Paralee!!! =] - DJ_Huero, Feb 16, 2012
Hmm, I've never heard this, As a teacher I've never taught this and as a native, I will never translate it that way! - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
DJ_huero. That might be basic classroom teaching for non Spanish speakers. People here also teach that V and B souns exactly the same in Spanish and that is also incorrect. - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
I was taught that they sound *similar* not exactly the same... which is what most people teach. - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
Right on, Paralee. - Vikingo, Feb 16, 2012
farallon, I live and learned in Texas, we have some of the most highly rated education systems here. We're also practically Mexico (maybe because this land used to be part of it)... - DJ_Huero, Feb 17, 2012
My point... I'm sure we know Spanish as well. Possible shock, even though you're a obvious professional in Spanish and know the language inside and out, it's possible that there is more than one way to skin that cat. Or have you been divinely enlightened? - DJ_Huero, Feb 17, 2012
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I have a question.... If you were to say "I like animals", wouldn't it be "me gustan LOS animales"??

It is for that reason (I believe) they do that. In English, we don't use "the", and in Spanish it is something normal.

updated Feb 17, 2012
edited by NikkiLR
posted by NikkiLR
Not really! It doesn't justify the extra article. Please read the explanation below. - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
Well, then I don't know what to tell you. In the videos they give examples like that... and that is why they use LOS and LAS. - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
If it really bothers you, send feedback. - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
That is what I was trying to do, but I didn't know how to! Because it really bothers me! Now I can see the feedback rectangle on the right. Thanks! - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
Hehe... they moved it :D - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
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Ah, things are getting back to normal. Heated discussion of language rules.

updated Mar 7, 2012
posted by Leatha
Sorry Letha! Very uncomfortable! I am now wondering why did I decide to join this website. It is very hard not to step on someone elses toes and get the whole gang after you! - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
Nobody is after you... - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
I agree with NIkki, no one is after you it is just a matter of opinions, locations, and the way you were taught. - martha-sd, Feb 16, 2012
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I understand what you're saying farallon, but I always just assumed that those translations were given to reinforce the gender of said word. Animales / profesiones , to most learners, would not automatically suggest Los / Las, know what I mean?

I think (or hope) that most people translating a sentence like, "I have three animals in my house" wouldn't think "Tengo tres los animales en mi casa."

But I understand your grievance, and perhaps they should add (parentheses) for all the articles on those singular words, or include the english "the" before.

updated Feb 17, 2012
posted by RedLine55
Still, it is not the perfect translation of a single word. Think about the word. Geography. Why is it translated "La geografía"? It doesn't make sense regardless of gender. Gender is a totally different subject - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
Indeed. Just trying to offer a possible explanation. Since you are a native speaker, what about sports and the like? Most students are taught "me gusta el fútbol" when saying "I like soccer." Is this not correct? Different thing, I know, but I'm curious. - RedLine55, Feb 16, 2012
Yes, that's totally correct! See, my point is. When SpanishDic. translates a single word from English, it adds an article. That article should not be there. If you want to write that word in a sentence, then the article should go there, but not until then - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
absolutely. bien dicho. - RedLine55, Feb 16, 2012
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Hm, I've never heard this, as a teacher I've never taught this and as a native, I will never translate it that way! It sounds weird, incorrect and unnecessary. For you who are native English speakers it will equate to translate Libro as The books.

updated Mar 7, 2012
posted by farallon7
So should the world and all of it's various Spanish speaking countries follow your lead? I mean, as a native you should realize no Spanish speaking country speaks like another; grammar, slang, and all.... you do know that right? - DJ_Huero, Feb 17, 2012
It is not only interesting, but very important for me to learn how a native speaker "thinks" on this issue. You are, of course, right. However, I might point out that **very** few languages have definite and indefinite articles ... - territurtle, Feb 17, 2012
and many of our members are from languages other than English. Even if they know English well, Spanish and English D O use the articles differently. Thanks again for giving me your insight! - territurtle, Feb 17, 2012
I know this went all the way out of control. That is too bad! I was not saying that you NEVER use the article. I was saying tht when you translatee just a word, the translation is just a word! - farallon7, Feb 17, 2012
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Yes, but we are not using the word in a sentence here. That is why it sounds weird and incorrect. Also, if I want to say. In my farm we have several animal, trees,birds and streams, I would not say. En mi finca tenemos varios los animales, los árboles y los arroyos. That would be incorrect. It should be. En mi finca tenemos varios animales, árboles, pájaros (aves) y arroyos. That is my point. We are translating ONE word. It shouldn't have an article.

updated Feb 16, 2012
edited by farallon7
posted by farallon7
Thank you, I learned something new today. Very helpful - rac1, Feb 16, 2012
Okay, but there it is "various animals" not "animals" or even "the animals"... - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
Yes, that's why I say, el, la, los, and las. Because it is being use in singular and plural. If I am talking about one animal, I'll say un animal, not un el animal. - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
Thanks rac1! - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
And again... if you say "un animal" that would be "an animal"... I mean I get what you are saying, but you don't get what I am. - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
No Nikki, you are thinking in English because it is your first language. You think you get what I am saying, but are actuall stucked in the way you think. I can tell you. It is incorrect. I am not talking about one, two, three. - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
I am talking about an extra article when translating a single word. not a word when used in a sentence. - farallon7, Feb 16, 2012
Please, do not tell me how I am thinking... you are not in my head, are you? You just do not get what I am trying to tell you. - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
And do not tell me what I understand or do not understand... Thank you. You have no way of knowing this... and I do understand what you are saying... I was telling you why I THINK they did it that way. - NikkiLR, Feb 16, 2012
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I know this went all the way out of control. That is too bad! I was not saying that you NEVER use the article. I was saying that when you translatee just one word, the translation should be just a word! -

  • I have seen here, many times, that somebody writes: The word of the day is: "BOOKS"
  • The translation to Spanish: La palabra del día es "LOS LIBROS" Isn't that clear that here you should just translate "LIBRO" Afterall, "LOS LIBROS" are two words?

DJ_Huero said: "So should the world and all of it's various Spanish speaking countries follow your lead?" Really, do you think that probably in Spain and Argentina you would translate one word into another word, but in Colombia and Uruguay into two?

It seems to me that the problem here has todo with the fact that someone who is new cannot point out something thas is not correct to someone that has been here for many years, has a gazillion points or is an admin. And then their friends also get upset and then say to you, you better be sure you are nice if you want to have friends. Yes, friends are a jewel to have, but isn't the Mission, the goal, the purpose of Span!shD!c to better learn Spanish?

Anyways! Sorry for pointing that out!

updated Mar 7, 2012
posted by farallon7
...I think you are set in your ways. Just by the fact other natives disagree with you and you hate that. - DJ_Huero, Feb 17, 2012
I'm going to leave it at that because this discussion is a lost cause. Neither party would like to move either way... - DJ_Huero, Feb 17, 2012